Warcraft IV Storyline

[Tranquility]

Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I couldn't find it.

Assuming Blizzard just told us they're working on Warcraft IV. What do you think the main storyline would be? I can envision some huge clashes occurring.

1) The Lich King and his undead minions with aid from Kel'thuzad and Anu'barak wipe out The Forsaken and retake the entire Plaguelands (a final scene featuring the Lich King and Sylvanas would be cool).

2) Illidan, Vashj and Kael re-enter Azeroth and summon Azshara who emerges from the sea with a massive naga army to clash with the Lich King and his forces in an effort to re-establish themselves as rulers of Azeroth when it consisted of just one continent.

3) Kael, convinced that allying himself with the Naga would be too costly and would decimate his people, flees to the areas in Lordaeron where the Scarlet Crusade resides, manages to kill Balnazzar, and rallies the remaining freed Alliance soldiers to his side, and leads them across the sea to Kalimdor, far from the Lich King and his minions. There he encounters the night elves and meets with Tyrande and Malfurion. He tells them of the latest proceedings.

4) The night elves are alarmed by the rise of the naga and Azshara, their arch-nemesis brothers, and Malfurion remembers his oath to end Azshara's life after she almost killed Tyrande during the War of the Ancients. He rallies the night elves and the druids, and reincarnates the spirit of Cenarius, and sets sail across the sea to battle the naga. Illidan, not wanting to betray the truce between him and his brother, as well as his desire not to harm Tyrande, makes him abandon Azshara and set off on his own.

5) The titanic clash between the night elves and the naga results in the defeat of the naga and Azshara's death (sorry King!). However, Illidan opens a portal through which Kil'jaeden and an army of demons comes through in a final assault on Azeroth to destroy the Lich King (Kil'jaeden and the demons can become a playable race at this point). Kil'jaeden succeeds in destroying the Lich King. As he turns his attention to the mortal races, he commands the Scourge on one final assault on the Night Elves, Alliance, and Orcs. First weakening them by luring some of their leaders to his side (perhaps Jaina Proudmoore, as well as Illidan himself, and remaining naga warriors.

You go :g wink:

[Romanov77]

I still hope in the return of the Khadghar's fellowship...

[socal]

I still hope in the return of the Khadghar's fellowship... I second that.

Kil'jaeden and the demons can become a playable race at this point Kil'jaeden will NEVER EVER become playable! Come on, he's destruction incarnated. Or he has to be like lvl. 387, but I dont see that happening. Resurrecting Kil'jaeden from an altar really sounds mindboggling to me.

[Tranquility]

Heh I know he does seem to be too powerful to be anything but an NPC. Maybe then you just control a new undead hero commanding legions of Kil'jaeden's soldiers.

[Diskordjah]

nope, sorry, these events are not in the right "scale" of main story arcs: theyre more of expansions that full titles, not to mention you haven't factored in WoW events anywhere. now, since we don't actually know alot about WoW events, a wc4 will be tricky to predict. however, if I was to be the judge, I think my prediction in the "are the dragons stirring" thread are closer to the warcraft scale and style.

[socal]

I think my prediction in the "are the dragons stirring" thread are closer to the warcraft scale and style. My bet is it'll (WHEN it happens) be mainly about the Ol' gods. But yeah the return of powerfull dragonflights is also a great posibility.

[Kingcrazygenius]

Both Azshara and Sylvanas will outlive the Lich King. I can guarantee this.

[Mymla]

"reincarnates cenarius' soul"?? lol why didn't he do that before then?? though the other sound quite possible... even if I hope blizzard make a starcraft 2 instead... the starcraft story is FAR from finished

[Kingcrazygenius]

"reincarnates cenarius' soul"?? lol why didn't he do that before then?? though the other sound quite possible... even if I hope blizzard make a starcraft 2 instead... the starcraft story is FAR from finished

Being a deity of nature Cenarius is going to eventually 'grow back'. But like a forest it will take some time. For all we know he might not be back until even after Nodrissil grows back.

[A-Thousand-Lies]

I see no mention of the orcs, other than defending Kil'Jaeden's vast armies. Surely they will play an important part in the story-line, as well as the humans.

[Tranquility]

That's why I made the thread, to see what everyone's ideas of what the storyline would be like. I didn't advertise mine as a complete Warcraft IV experience or storyline, I know it's definitely lacking, but I'm just letting my imagination run amock.

[Liche]

So, while the Undead, Night Elves and the Blood Elves clash against each other, the orcs and humans are just going to play in their own corner?

Seems weird to me.

[CanadianGuy]

Kiljaden will wait for the mortals to either kill the Lich King, or die by his hands before he strikes, that is about all I know besides their will be a few new races.
A Naga/Blood Elf/Dreni mix, or separete, I'm not sure.
A Forsaken race, differing from the Lich King in the fact that they depend on more elf-like tactics, rather than the hard hitting units of the regular undead.
Possable a demon race
The orcs will probably stay mostly the same with a little help from the pandariens i think :bigclap: .
The humans will become a human/dwarf/gnome alliance, having little(if any) elven support.
The night elves...well I don't really know how they will change, but don't the druids have to go into the emerald dream for a while ever now and then????
That leaves the forces of northrend, and my favorite so far in the coming races. The Undead of northrend will most likely become a mix of undead from all the races, not just humans/dragons/nurubiens, and possibly might have some of the faceless ones units (after a little mind bending from the Lich King lol)

[deadhand13]

WC4....The Rise of Ancients.................no, anyways

The Horde and the Alliance eventually break their truce, and the Alliance is forced into southern Kalimdor. Being pissed off, Jaina makes a truce with Kil'Jaedan. After the Horde finds out, they go on an all out attack against the humans. The Horde calls on the NE to help them out, but while doing so, the UD (scourge) take advantage and start destroying NE territory again. Then the Forsaken comes in and helps out the NE retake their land. In the process of all this the dragons really start to get pissed off and go and start melting the frozen throne. Then some more dragons come in and start wiping out the humans. Eventually Jaina is killed by Thrall, the LK defeated by Sylvanas, the dragons in power again and Thrall didn't lose his poster of Jaina :y-thumbsu . Thats all for now folks! :bigclap:

[lordshadowbane]

WCIV will most likely contain unknown factors like WCIII. Before WCIII we didn't even know that the Night elves or Undead existed. I predict the same for WCIV. I doubt highly that the demons would become a playable resource. That would make the Burning Legion look bad.

[SummonLemming]

The Burning Legion was rejected as a playable race because then they'd have to be balanced, therefore making them dull. That definitely won't happen.

LSB: Though we didn't know the Night Elves existed, we knew that such things as the undead existed. (References: Skellies from WI and WII, Death Knights from WII). Furthermore, the Scourge hadn't really started until shortly before WIII.

Deadhand: ...¿

Canadian: I fail to see why the Pandaren would help the Orcs. If anything, they'd help the Night Elves or become their own race, both which I see as unlikely. (Just a feeling).
Night Elves have been severely changed. The World Tree is dead, cutting the NEs from their immortality, and the new World Tree isn't really doing much to help that.

KCG: Cenarius' return is most likely inevitable. He will also play a key factor, y'know, with being that whole... demigod... thing.

Romanov: While the return of Khadgar's fellowship would be most favorable, consider this: Ner'zhul escaped into the Twisting Nether as well, and in mere moments was captured by Kil'Jaedan. Now, Kil'Jaedan was presumably expecting Ner'zhul, so it might be safe to say that they're still in the Nether or returning shortly. However, given the time they entered the portal and the time WIV starts, it's unlikely that a small (though very, very powerful) band of humans could have survived that long. The Nether is full of demons everywhere, plus one must account for certain necessities to humans such as food and water. Those might be hard to come by for humans.

But I do expect a cameo from the good Ol' Gods. It's about time they show up.

[Mymla]

naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh... don't think Jaina will side with kil'jaeden... Why should she? just because Artas was a weak mined - power greedy - idiot who picked up frostmourne I doubt Jaina will go insane as well...

[Nephalim]

Warcraft 4 will likely centre around the Old Gods, and will likely involve some of the far-reaching plans we see in World of Warcraft coming to fruition, IE Magatha and Sylvanas turn on the Horde, Neeru attempts to take out Thrall, etc. We're setting the stage for extremely important events that, due to format, can't happen in World of Warcraft itself.

[yunn]

Even though this has been said multiple times, I don't care:

Curses, you WoW player... speaking of Magatha and Neeru, unknown to us unfortunate people *shakes fist*

Are they by any chance in Lunar Falls, or have you stopped updating already, since you have WoW?

[Kingcrazygenius]

He updated back in December. Before that I thought it was pretty much dead.

[Nephalim]

Magatha Grimtotem - The elder crone of Thunderbluff, she came to power though an arranged marriage to the leader of the Grimtotem tribe. When he died in a climbing accident, she became the leader. She believes that the tauren have a sacred heritage that is being denied by associating with lesser creatures, and speaks out openly against Cairne. Now, to what extent, exactly, I don't know, but she has an alliance with the Forsaken, and it was with her leave that the undead were allowed to build a small home for themselves in the Pools of Vision. There's rather obvious hints through several quests that Magatha and Zamah, and apothecary who leads the undead in the Pools of Vision, have some plan together that likely does not bode well for Cairne, and other good-hearted Tauren loyal to him. Grimtotem tauren were responsible for the razing of a Tauren camp in Stonetalon, and will attack any intruders to their outposts in the Thousand Needles. To what end, I don't know.

Neeru Fireblade - The leader of the Burning Blade. He's a member of the renewed Shadow Council and attempts to subvert the rule of Thrall. But he feigns allegiance to Thrall and claims to be rooting out demonic corruption within Orgrimmar, when in fact, he's basically killing off his competition, a clan of warlocks called the Searing Blade, led by the demon Tamagaran (sp?). Thrall, however, knows that he's working against him, but is willing to let the Shadow Council eat away at itself before he deals with Neeru.

As for Lunar Falls, I got the entire thing onto a nice database but the server doesn't support database. It used to, but my provider noticed I wasn't using my databasing capabilities so they figured I wouldn't notice if they took them away. And I didn't, for a while, but now that I need them I don't have them, and am trying to reconcile the situation. No idea on an ETA.

[SuRReAL OrC]

Well, the way I see things going:

Lady Vashj: That four-armed tool is still licking the mud off Illidan's shoes and doing anything his sick little mind can cook up.

Kael: The same thing, but without four arms, and he's burning stuff at the same time.

Kil'Jaeden: Screaming at Illidan to go kill the fricking Lich King.

Illidan: Hunting down the Lich King.

Arthas/Lich King: Parading around whever, trampling flowers. Y'know, bad guy stuff.

Thrall: Sitting on his throne telling slack-jawed orcs to do...stuff.

Cairne: Dying/dead. 'Nuff said.

Jaina: Same thing as Thrall, but with humans instead of orcs.

Malfurion: Zoned out in a barrow den

Tyrande: Lounging around Teldrassil, with the occasional protection of Kalimdor.

Akama: Same as Cairne

There, WCIV in a nutshell. :y-thumbsu

[Kingcrazygenius]

Lady Vashj: That four-armed tool is still licking the mud off Illidan's shoes and doing anything his sick little mind can cook up.

Her loyalties lie with Azshara. Illidan is just a decent ally to keep in touch with.

Kael: The same thing, but without four arms, and he's burning stuff at the same time.

Like Vashj his true loyalties lie elsewhere, in this case his people.

Kil'Jaeden: Screaming at Illidan to go kill the fricking Lich King.

Kil'jaeden doesn't scream. He's way too collected for that.

Illidan: Hunting down the Lich King.

Doubtful. More likely he'd first be looking for another object of great power to use against the Lich King, or he may even be waiting for the mortal races to weaken him before going in after him himself.

Arthas/Lich King: Parading around whever, trampling flowers. Y'know, bad guy stuff.

Flowers don't grow well in a tundra stifled by death plagues.

Thrall: Sitting on his throne telling slack-jawed orcs to do...stuff.

Thrall's not a human leader, he's an orc leader. Orc leaders actually lead and fight.

Cairne: Dying/dead. 'Nuff said.

Probably.

Jaina: Same thing as Thrall, but with humans instead of orcs.

More likely she's trying to patch things up between Theramore and the remaining human kingdoms.

Malfurion: Zoned out in a barrow den

He'd probably have awaken by then.

Tyrande: Lounging around Teldrassil, with the occasional protection of Kalimdor.

Priestesses may lounge, but when you are a military leader for an entire race you don't really have that luxery.

Akama: Same as Cairne

Probably.

There, WCIV in a nutshell. :y-thumbsu

The emoticon, as I see it, is invitation to call you an idiot.

[rudynoname]

*agreed pretty much on most points

just remeber malfurions body is comatose, but we have no idea what his spirit in the emerald dream may be up to, or if he is even there, etc......

[Nephalim]

I was a little upset with the charazterization of Fandral Staghelm. It's just way too obvious that he's a bad guy, which has led me to believe he's behind Malfurion's slumber. Right now, he has little support from the Moonglade, but I think he also has plans he will enact later.

Here are some possibilities I've come up with:

Fandral and his faithful become corrupted; drive the rest of the night elves from Teldrassil and it becomes an outpost for these mad druids. The damage with Teldrassil looks like it can't be readily resolved, so I doubt it will become the device that Fandral hoped it would. Of course, he'll never admit that, so he'd stay there even as it became increasingly obvious that that wasn't really an option.

The situation in Outland still isn't clear to me, and if anyone has an update, feel free to speak up, but I don't know if Illidan and his lackies are still loyal to Kil'jaeden, or if they're fighting him in Outland. Whatever the case, Illidan will not stay in Outland. I think one of the more logical courses of action would be to attempt to retake Quel'Thalas. We also don't know of Illidan's relationship with Azshara, and should she decide to take action, which I think she will eventually, he may not coincide with her plans. Vashj may have to decide who she's more interested in serving, and since she's always been characterized mostly by loyalty, not magic or power, I can't honestly say I know what she'd do.

I also expect to see a band of Watchers who continually harass Illidan and co, led by a successor of Maiev.

Guys like Cairne don't die of old age. I think he might be killed by Magatha, and then she and Baine basically engage in a civil war for control of Thunder Bluff, unless she has other, farther-reaching plans. The Grimtotems are extremely hostile to their brethren right now and I don't see the tauren not noticing.

Akama's a hard nut to crack. I don't know what he cares more about, his people, or his land. If it's the prior, he may take the draenei to Azeroth if he learned of Magtoor and his people, who live in relative peace in the Swamp of Sorrows. We never got much insight on Akama though so I don't know what he's going to do. Unlike the naga and blood elves, Illidan has nothing on them.

[Tranquility]

I don't have WoW, so I apologize if this seems a very rudimentary question.

Who's Fandral?

[Mymla]

So, while the Undead, Night Elves and the Blood Elves clash against each other, the orcs and humans are just going to play in their own corner?

Seems weird to me.
why is that so wierd...? I say that would be the most natural...

[Zero the One]

Lady Vashj: That four-armed tool is still licking the mud off Illidan's shoes and doing anything his sick little mind can cook up.
See below

Kael: The same thing, but without four arms, and he's burning stuff at the same time.
Due to Illidan's death, he'd probably be lying about making Elf/Naga with Vashj

Kil'Jaeden: Screaming at Illidan to go kill the fricking Lich King.
He screams all the time, his regular indoor voice is a scream, and since Illidan's dead, he'd be screaming at someone else.

Illidan: Hunting down the Lich King.
Dead already, end of WC3

Arthas/Lich King: Parading around whever, trampling flowers. Y'know, bad guy stuff.
Probably chasing down Kael, Vashj, and Sylvanas along with the rest of the humans/orcs

Thrall: Sitting on his throne telling slack-jawed orcs to do...stuff.
Probably out hunting Jaina's murderer

Cairne: Dying/dead. 'Nuff said.
Agreed with King
Jaina: Same thing as Thrall, but with humans instead of orcs.
Once again, I think she'd have been assassinated.

Malfurion: Zoned out in a barrow den
I think he would have been assassinated, personally.

Tyrande: Lounging around Teldrassil, with the occasional protection of Kalimdor.
Agreed with King.

Akama: Same as Cairne
I agree with King.

[Diskordjah]

oh, fresh blood for lore-indoctrination! :y-crazy:

anyway, you are wrong on one point: Illidan wasnt killed. yes, he SHOULD HAVE BEEN killed, but later sources confirm his health. also, he's in Outland again.

[Zero the One]

You can live through getting cut in half? Wow.. But then again, this is WC, where reincarnations happen all the time.

[perfectgamer911]

He wasn't cut in half, there was only a slice in the chest.

and why would Thrall hunt for Jaina's assassin, saying she does get assassinated.

[Zero the One]

Jaina, we've bled together on many battlefields and faced many foes, but we must do this.
-Thrall pre-assault on Theramore.

Thrall's an orc, and theres nothing bigger to an orc than two things, 1. Honor and 2. War comrades.

[yunn]

Whether he was cut in half or he was sliced, or chopped into little bits and served to the dogs, he would still make a come back. Blizzard WOULD do it for the fan boys.

And Illidan is confirmed not dead. You made your first false proclamation in bold, italicised (sic), blue letters. Welcome to the forums.

[Nephalim]

Who's Fandral?Fandral's another extremist who believes that the future of the night elves must be one of conquest. He was one of Malfurion's lieutenants and took his place when Malfurion became lost within the Emerald Dream. After Malfurion was rendered comatose, Fandral enacted a plan he hoped to allow the night elves to regain the immortality they lost with the destruction of Nordrassil, and that was the creation of Teldrassil, which was a plan Malfurion had warned against. Since the only purpose to Teldrassil was to give them immortality, Nozdormu and Alexstrasza saw the endeavor as selfish, and so didn't bless the tree. Since then, it has slowly become corrupted - the plants and animals grow to unusual proportions and some have become uncharacteristically hostile. Fandral butts heads constantly with Tyrande, and another high-ranking druid named Dendrite Starblaze, who watches over the Moonglade.
Once again, I think she'd (Jaina) have been assassinated.At this point, Jaina is one of the most inconsequential human leaders around. Theramore has little power, both militarily and politically. I have no idea who'd gain anything from her death.

[Diskordjah]

At this point, Jaina is one of the most inconsequential human leaders around. Theramore has little power, both militarily and politically. I have no idea who'd gain anything from her death.

the black dragonflight would. the defias would. the naga would. (insert dramatic sound)

Jaina's people are currently trying to deduct what happened to the king of stormwind, and theyre pretty close to the palce where he is being held. if jaina were to die in mysterious circumstances, theramore would likely try to find her killer instead of the king of stormwind.

[perfectgamer911]

is there a site where you can follow the important events of WoW.

[Nephalim]

Jaina's people are currently trying to deduct what happened to the king of stormwind, and theyre pretty close to the palce where he is being held. if jaina were to die in mysterious circumstances, theramore would likely try to find her killer instead of the king of stormwind.Touche.

Although the Defias would gain from her death? The naga? You'll have to go over these, I haven't done at a lot at Theramore. Don't get me wrong, I'm curious, not suspicious :y-sneaky:

Perfectgamer - Not directly. Thottbot.com is a popular World of Warcraft site which may be useful just because it has transcripts of most of the quests.

[perfectgamer911]

who are the defias?

maybe it is an idea for the players of WoW to create a thread here in which they keep us informed on the most important news, and answer questions like the one above.

[airgod]

the dragons are become inrarages becus of the curpson of the earth and rally all the remaing dragons ad set out to kill the ones curpting the earth thay ally what remains of the humens to kill the undead.

back on the ilend that jana rules some of the remaining humens git warnd that the undead are comeing to distoy tham but the dragons aid in thare escape and jana warns trall of the undead amey on thare way trall and jana and the dragons set out to save thare home lands.

back in the plagelands the forsackns gane aid for 1 of the last demon lord to kill the lich king.

the lichking has ganed new power he has now sumend his demon amey along with the undead he planes to take the whole world so he sets out to kalmdoor to take the last of the world.

[Kingcrazygenius]

the dragons are become inrarages becus of the curpson of the earth and rally all the remaing dragons ad set out to kill the ones curpting the earth thay ally what remains of the humens to kill the undead.

back on the ilend that jana rules some of the remaining humens git warnd that the undead are comeing to distoy tham but the dragons aid in thare escape and jana warns trall of the undead amey on thare way trall and jana and the dragons set out to save thare home lands.

back in the plagelands the forsackns gane aid for 1 of the last demon lord to kill the lich king.

the lichking has ganed new power he has now sumend his demon amey along with the undead he planes to take the whole world so he sets out to kalmdoor to take the last of the world.

Uh...anyone here speak pitlord?

[SummonLemming]

I do!

Vash'uu! Dena neganna!

Anyways, I'll translate as well as I can.

The dragons are becoming enraged because of the corruption of the Earth. They rally all the remaining dragons and set out to kill the ones corrupting the Earth. Their allies, what remains of the Humans to kill the Undead. (What?)

Back on the island that Jaina rules some soldiers get warned that the Undead are coming to destroy them, but the Dragons aid in their escape and Jaina warns Thrall of the Undead army. On their way Thrall, Jaina and the Dragons set out to save their homelands.

Back in the Plaguelands the Forsaken gain aid, for one of the last Demon Lords to kill the Lich King. (?)

The Lich King has gained new power. He has now summoned his demon army along with the Undead. He plans to take the whole world, so he sets out to Kalimdor to take the last of the world.

I think that's what it says at least... I'm not that good with Pit Lord, I just learn the swear words. Hee hee... you're a neganna...

[lordshadowbane]

When did the Lich King have powers to summon demonic armies?

[Kingcrazygenius]

When did the Lich King have powers to summon demonic armies?

He doesn't. airgod seems to have little except air between his ears.

[yunn]

I thought it was some kind of lejundspek... kakaka bai2u ^______^

[Nephalim]

I've spoken to more discernable murlocs.

[Kingcrazygenius]

You don't talk to murlocs, you just kill em.

[Nephalim]

When I'm on the clock, yes. You don't know what I do after hours.

[Diskordjah]

I bloody hate murlocs.

Touche.

Although the Defias would gain from her death? The naga? You'll have to go over these, I haven't done at a lot at Theramore. Don't get me wrong, I'm curious, not suspicious :y-sneaky:

Perfectgamer - Not directly. Thottbot.com is a popular World of Warcraft site which may be useful just because it has transcripts of most of the quests.

first of all, it was a joint cooperation between naga and defias that kidnapped the king, I can only guess that it was a black dragon who supervised the negotiations.

and now I re-read your post and realised I misread it the first time!
the defias and naga would gain (or more accurately, NOT LOSE) from her death for the same reason: to keep the king away, since he would most likely quell their uprising [more efficiently than sending random adventurers]. as for the naga, they want to keep him too: whatever deal they made to kidnap him, theyre keeping guard over him now. if for no other reason, he would be a powerful bargaining chip with opther shady organisations: if the defias were to charge into stormwind, having the kings head on a pike would be a nice statement!

if for no other reason, both naga and defias would probably prefer to keep the black dragons happy instead of having them as opponents.

[Nephalim]

I see.

Nevertheless, I don't see it a very wise course of action. Right now the only group who understands the severity of the Defias Brotherhood is the Peoples' Militia, who are having obvious problems dealing with them. If they assasssinated Jaina Proudmoore, this would not only incur the attention of Theramore, but likely stir Stormwind into action, despite Katrina's protests. The complacency of Stormwind is, for now, the Defias' greatest asset.

[airgod]

1 its not pit lord or murlocs its the old orc. and with the lichking he gained form joining in the body of arthas and it jest some thang i herd. but no i dont have air between my ears.

[Kingcrazygenius]

I see.

Nevertheless, I don't see it a very wise course of action. Right now the only group who understands the severity of the Defias Brotherhood is the Peoples' Militia, who are having obvious problems dealing with them. If they assasssinated Jaina Proudmoore, this would not only incur the attention of Theramore, but likely stir Stormwind into action, despite Katrina's protests. The complacency of Stormwind is, for now, the Defias' greatest asset.

I doubt Jr. Proudmoore would take very kindly to it either.

If you will excuse me I must contemplate who would win in a fight between Azshara and Deathwing.

1 its not pit lord or murlocs its the old orc. and with the lichking he gained form joining in the body of arthas and it jest some thang i herd. but no i dont have air between my ears.

Zug zug.

[Nephalim]

1 its not pit lord or murlocs its the old orc.I'd love to meet the orc you learned it from.
and with the lichking he gained form joining in the body of arthas and it jest some thang i herd.You heard wrong. The demons hate the Lich King, the Lich King would never trust the demons to serve him, his powers have always revolved entirely around undeath, cold, and mental manipulation of mortals, and the only thing he gained from Arthas was that sexy body.

[Mymla]

the only thing he gained from Arthas was that sexy body.
Plus one thing more... or two... now he can move around and talk to people, since he isn't trapped behind 1 m. ice

[Kingcrazygenius]

But didn't the undeath plague and the powers of necromancy originate in the Twisting Nether? I think someone mentioned that in one of those books a couple of Nathrezim were seen experimenting with raising the dead.

And yes, Arthas was one tasty dish. If I were female he and Neltharion would be my current Sylvanas and Azshara. That is of course assuming I wasn't some kind of lesbian.

[Lord Kil'jaeden]

Is there a reason the naga/defias/black dragons involved in the King Varian Wrynn disappearance have prefered to not kill him and just jailed him waiting for some WoW players to free him ?

What do they have to gain by keeping him alive ?

This situation reminds me of the stereotypical situation in all the James Bond movie , the archvillain captures James Bond then he decides to explain him all his evil plan, then James Bond suddenly frees himself and kills the archvillain while destroying his plan ...

[Kingcrazygenius]

Maybe they think his death would spur the young Anduin into action.

[Diskordjah]

I see.

Nevertheless, I don't see it a very wise course of action. Right now the only group who understands the severity of the Defias Brotherhood is the Peoples' Militia, who are having obvious problems dealing with them. If they assasssinated Jaina Proudmoore, this would not only incur the attention of Theramore, but likely stir Stormwind into action, despite Katrina's protests. The complacency of Stormwind is, for now, the Defias' greatest asset.

meh, the point of the defias killing jainas would be to cover their tracks [leading to the king], not make a political statement: theyre building a really big boat, I think they could find a dagger or poison that wouldnt be an obvious clue pointing to them. hell, if they used a dagger of horde design, it would be pretty damn obvious to most sane people it was a set-up, but remember how hald the pop of theramore disagreed with Jaina's decision in the admiral incident?

and, as I said, they would do it to create a more urgent problem for theramore than the missing regent of an eastern kingdom. a diversion, if you will.

at least, thats how I would do it if I were the defias.

[perfectgamer911]

again I ask who are the defias

anyone of the WoW players make a WoW thread, posting the most important events and stuff like that.

[Nephalim]

When Stormwind was rebuilt, it was a job for a group of architects called the Stonemasons. The Stonemasons had some corrupt leaders and severely overcharged the kingdom for their work. Unfortunately, the nobles of Stormwind were equally corrupt and so didn't pay them a thing, apparently assuming the whole thing had been charity work. They offered them high-ranking government jobs, but the leader of the Stonemasons, Edwin VanCleef, started a riot and quitted the city. VanCleef founded the Defias Brotherhood, and resolved to recieve their payment, one unfortunate traveller at a time. The organization based itself in Westfall, and when that happened, the goblins who lived there tried to get rid of them. The Defias, however, replied by capturing every goblin in Westfall and putting them to work for them. They created robotic golems which the Defias used to run people off their land and take it as their own.
The apparent leader of Westfall, Gyran Stoutmantle, upset and desperate at Stormwind's continued inaction (a recurring theme, let me tell you) formed the People's Militia in an attempt to stave off the looting and banditry.
More recently, VanCleef seems to have re-aimed his goals to now dethroning the current seat of power. As Disk said, he built a giant boat (which looks remarkably like an oldschool Juggernaut) but I never heard of any of his plans for it.

As for a World of Warcraft thread, the game's far too huge to just sit down and write everything in one go. If you come to something you don't know about, ask, and you'll likely get a satisfactory explanation. I think it makes considerably more sense to do this on a thread by thread basis, as we'd likely have to anyway.

[IlidanStormrage]

Well, I've got a feeling that WC IV will have some/all of the following events:

Twillight's Hammer frees one or more of the Old Gods.
Repeat with the Dark Iron Dwarves.
Silithids move out and decimate the whole of southern Kalimdor.
Lich King moves on the Tirisfal Glades.
Deathwing returns and rallies the Black Dragonflight. (YAY!)
Illidan charges back into Azeroth via the Dark Portal, or another.
Balnazaar corrupts the Scarlet Crusade and turns them to destroy the Scourge in the Plaguelands.
Malfurion is nearly destroyed in the Emerald Dream, and escapes just in time to see the horror of the world.
Titans return to defeat the threat, or something.

Um... Something like that.

[Kingcrazygenius]

Question; did Varimathras intentionally not kill his brother, or is he going to be surprised when he turns up alive?

[Nephalim]

I don't even know if Varimathras finds out. After killed Balnazzar, you turn in his head to the Argent Dawn.

And in World of Warcraft, the Twilight's Hammer facilitates the release of Myzrael the elemental princess. Of course, you defeat her right away, but as we've seen before, people in Warcraft tend not to let little things like death get in their way.

[Diskordjah]

today I killed ANOTHER elemental princess: Theradras, the mother of centaur. all in all, Myzrael was cuter.

[KillAllZerg]

Did you take screen shots?

Hopefully, I can purcase WoW by next week. My wallet has be drained of its contents after shopping for Halo2, Doom3, and Half-Life2. (100 dollars down the drain...)

[Kingcrazygenius]

today I killed ANOTHER elemental princess: Theradras, the mother of centaur. all in all, Myzrael was cuter.

Mortality doesn't seem to be enough to stop people from doing their things.

[Nephalim]

Disk what level is Therramok? I've been in and out of Desolace lately but never got around to checking it out.

In other news, I'm riding a horse now, and am ridiculously pleased with myself.

[Diskordjah]

therramok? maraudon you mean. and we were all around lvl50, though the mobs started at around 43 and scaled up to Theradras who was 52. I think.

[Kingcrazygenius]

Disk what level is Therramok? I've been in and out of Desolace lately but never got around to checking it out.

In other news, I'm riding a horse now, and am ridiculously pleased with myself.

Evendale, Undead Steed, Paladin Warhorse, or Felsteed?

[rudynoname]

oh just did mauradon the other day. a group averaging about lvl 50 shouldn't have any trouble, aim for high fourties. we had a lvl 52 paladin tank her and the rest of us just unloaded on her. went down fast, one of the easier ones. damn she was ugly.

[Nephalim]

Evendale, Undead Steed, Paladin Warhorse, or Felsteed?
Brown Skeletal Horse. I've got several chars on the go simulteneously, so my highest is only lvl 40. His name is Brokenstride. The horse, I mean.

[Mymla]

haha this thread looks like it has turned out to some WoW discussion :)

[IlidanStormrage]

I don't even know if Varimathras finds out. After killed Balnazzar, you turn in his head to the Argent Dawn.

And in World of Warcraft, the Twilight's Hammer facilitates the release of Myzrael the elemental princess. Of course, you defeat her right away, but as we've seen before, people in Warcraft tend not to let little things like death get in their way.
Oh, I didn't know you killed him. Ah well.

Who was Myzrael anyway, I slew her (Well, 3 of us (Myself (Level 43 at the time) and two level 50+ guildmates) but neveer really found out anything about her.

[KillAllZerg]

This thread has gotten way off topic....

[mario eh]

If they do make Warcraft IV then i truly do hope that the humans end up as the winners of the whole event, cause in starcraft they get hammered, in WC3 RoC they get hammered, and in TFT theres is barely anythign said about them, except that they're main leader is Lord Gaithos (lol) so hopefully the humans will come out on the good end of the stick :y-wink2:

[Diskordjah]

Myzrael is simply an earth elemental princess that wants to get into azeroth. she is currently trapped, and the mountain giants are her wardens. thats about it, really. twilights hammer wants to free her.

[KillAllZerg]

Mountain giants? HA! I could beat those one-handed. Might take me awhile though...(just got the game, and am currently at lvl 13)

[goldengargus]

I know how the scourge is finally defeated. I'm gonna make a cin 'bout it one day...

Immeadetly after the death of Illadian...

Arthas takes a walk in northrend. He gets tired and sits down under a tree (dead, of course) and remembers his days with Jaina Proudmore and the alliance.

"Oh god, I almost miss that zombie smashing", he says. "Hmm..."

He rides back to his camp and starts slaying his own forces. With the powers of the Lich King he is Level 479, invincible.

[lordshadowbane]

1. Illidan never died.
2. Arthas never died.
3. Arthas has no free will.

[perfectgamer911]

1. I agree
2. I think he means that the tree is dead
3. I agree

[Pureauthor]

The Orcs need to do something in WCIV.

[Nephalim]

He rides back to his camp and starts slaying his own forces. With the powers of the Lich King he is Level 479, invincible.Jaina, Thrall, Vol'jin, Sylvanas, Varimathras, Magni, and others, are level 500. In your scenario, he's hardly invincible. ONE of these heroes could take him down, so just forget about it if they ever teamed up.

[twisted orc]

The Orcs need to do something in WCIV.

Why the orcs? Why not the humans, or the Trolls, or even the Pandaren?

[Nephalim]

The orcs took a backseat to most of the action in Warcraft III, and were completely removed from it in the expansion. I think Pureauthor is asking they get some more attention in Warcraft IV to remedy that.

[Magranion]

It would be cool to see them bring bakc the warsong clan as once again one of the prominent clans. I doubt that they were completely eliminated, at least I hope they were not. I wonder if Hellscream had any relatives, like a brother so that he could have a nephew that takes up the burden of being the warsong cheiftan.

[quetzalcoatl5]

Fear the wrath of Billy Hellscream!

[Kingcrazygenius]

What parts of the Warsong weren't destroyed in "By demons be driven" were assimilated into the normal Horde. I don't think the Warsong clan exists any longer.

[Diskordjah]

except as a large foresting operation in ashenvale, east of splintertree. big ass keep and everything, inustrialism at its finest.

[Nephalim]

Yes, likely the remains of the camp you build in Reign of Chaos. I'm not sure if it's still maintained by the actual Warsong clan or if the lumber yard is simply named after it's founders.

[WarDragon]

There's still a lumber yard in Ashenvale? And why have the Night Elves not declared war over this?

[quetzalcoatl5]

Didnt they do so in the first place, thus allow it now to prevent war if its contained.

[Diskordjah]

Yes, likely the remains of the camp you build in Reign of Chaos. I'm not sure if it's still maintained by the actual Warsong clan or if the lumber yard is simply named after it's founders.

still its operated by "warsong peons" and guarded by "warsong grunts"

[Kingcrazygenius]

That's good enough for me. And I wouldn't assume it be too far off the mark for there to be a night elf mission involving the slaughter of these forest defilers.

Then, I don't have the game so I wouldn't know.

[KillAllZerg]

That's good enough for me. And I wouldn't assume it be too far off the mark for there to be a night elf mission involving the slaughter of these forest defilers.
They tried that once, and ended up with a dead demi-god. I doubt they are stupid enough to try that again.

[twisted orc]

The orcs took a backseat to most of the action in Warcraft III, and were completely removed from it in the expansion. I think Pureauthor is asking they get some more attention in Warcraft IV to remedy that.

I understood that, but what the humans did in the war3 events?

RoC: Being slaughtered.
Tft: Who knows? Just the elves playied

[airgod]

thay need to give the nagas a more active role in warcraft VI!

[Kingcrazygenius]

They tried that once, and ended up with a dead demi-god. I doubt they are stupid enough to try that again.

That involved unforseen circumstances, such as Mannoroth's blood, and it was against a much more complete group of Warsong clansmen. A well-trained sentinel force wouldn't have nearly as much trouble against a bunch of peons and their grunt guardians.

[Reign of Kalos]

I understood that, but what the humans did in the war3 events?

RoC: Being slaughtered.
Tft: Who knows? Just the elves playied
Are you kidding? The whole plot revolved around the humans and thier actions. The state of Lordearon is a direct result of human interactions, very little that the orcs or the night elves did to chance the situation there. The other races sort of got side lined next to what the humans got up to, very inferior in thier roles.

[KillAllZerg]

That involved unforseen circumstances, such as Mannoroth's blood, and it was against a much more complete group of Warsong clansmen. A well-trained sentinel force wouldn't have nearly as much trouble against a bunch of peons and their grunt guardians.
The well trained sentinel force would have to get through a bunch of lvl 50 Horde heroes to even touch a peon. :y-dunce:

[Kingcrazygenius]

Level 50, ooh scary. That's what parties are for.

[KillAllZerg]

I doubt Alliance players can get their fast enough before half the Horde players on the entire sever does does. :P

wiggly wiggly

[perfectgamer911]

it's closer to alliance ground than to horde ground, so I doubt that's true.

[Diskordjah]

quite wrong. the warsong lumber camp is closer to horde turf. you see, in Ashenvale the Horde has two outposts: Splintertree and Zoramgar. Splintertree is in the eastern parts, quite close to the warsong camp. zoramgar is on the western beach. astranaar, the alliance stronghold, is in the middle of the map. this, coupled with the sucky alliance flightpaths of kalimdor, mean that every horde player in Orgrimmar could get to splintertree within five to ten minutes.

[Reign of Kalos]

I doubt Alliance players can get their fast enough before half the Horde players on the entire sever does does. :P

wiggly wiggly
Half of 0.5%. That's going to make a real difference. On most servers the Orcs would take a right bashing from just 5% of the Alliance players, there's so many more of them. An all out raid would absolutely massacre the place.

[quetzalcoatl5]

Makes me wish I had WoW, just so I could contribute to the Horde's power.

[perfectgamer911]

quite wrong. the warsong lumber camp is closer to horde turf. you see, in Ashenvale the Horde has two outposts: Splintertree and Zoramgar. Splintertree is in the eastern parts, quite close to the warsong camp. zoramgar is on the western beach. astranaar, the alliance stronghold, is in the middle of the map. this, coupled with the sucky alliance flightpaths of kalimdor, mean that every horde player in Orgrimmar could get to splintertree within five to ten minutes.
haven't been there so I didn't know about the horde outposts.

[KillAllZerg]

Makes me wish I had WoW, just so I could contribute to the Horde's power.
If you really want to serve the Horde, you should join on a PvP server. Of course, every two steps you take means you would have to whack another Alliance player....

[Nephalim]

I understood that, but what the humans did in the war3 events?

RoC: Being slaughtered.
Tft: Who knows? Just the elves playiedI'd say the human campaign was among the most pivotal, and getting slaughtered is still a role. The orcs were rather removed from the other campaigns. They had their own little story arc, which was well played, but they factor into the main action in only minor ways. Orc involvement in the other campaigns was minimal, whereas the first two campaigns revolved entirely around the human nations. Humans got the spotlight for most of the game.

[perfectgamer911]

I'd say the human campaign was among the most pivotal, and getting slaughtered is still a role. The orcs were rather removed from the other campaigns. They had their own little story arc, which was well played, but they factor into the main action in only minor ways. Orc involvement in the other campaigns was minimal, whereas the first two campaigns revolved entirely around the human nations. Humans got the spotlight for most of the game.
that's not completely true the orcs killed two demigods remember.

[Reign of Kalos]

that's not completely true the orcs killed two demigods remember.
That's still sort of outside the main events going on outside the time. Things would have played out rather similarly to how they did without the orcs actions during this time.

[Kingcrazygenius]

that's not completely true the orcs killed two demigods remember.

The Warsong Clan killed one Demi-God. Grom alone killed a demonlord.

[twisted orc]

Humans did their thinges in Azeroth (atually know as the Eastern Kingdoms) and it was just being slaughtered. What I tried to meant was that humans must react, an entirely kingdom was doomed by a single attack. And we are talking about teh purge of lordaeron, no the roc, what was to suposed to b the main event. And Tft was almost entirelly destined to show what happened and will happen to lk, with exception of the total destruction of Admiral's fleet, what wasn't really an outmain event.

[Nephalim]

that's not completely true the orcs killed two demigods remember.Both Cenarius and Mannoroth were introduced AND killed in the orc campaign. The entire affair was rather self-contained.

And Twisted, I think I understand what you're saying, and I agree to an extent, but that's not really in the same boat that Pureauthor was. He, and many others, thought that the orcs got minimal attention. Of course the humans need to be in Warcraft 4 but they don't need to make up for being out of the spotlight. If you don't like the role they had in Warcraft 3 that's entirely another story. But they had a role, and it was a big one.

[KillAllZerg]

Both Cenarius and Mannoroth were introduced AND killed in the orc campaign. The entire affair was rather self-contained.

And Twisted, I think I understand what you're saying, and I agree to an extent, but that's not really in the same boat that Pureauthor was. He, and many others, thought that the orcs got minimal attention. Of course the humans need to be in Warcraft 4 but they don't need to make up for being out of the spotlight. If you don't like the role they had in Warcraft 3 that's entirely another story. But they had a role, and it was a big one.
The only big role the humans had in RoC was the ascendance of Arthas from being the prince of Lorderon to becoming the champion of the Scourge. In TFT, the humans had a minor role, appearing a few times from both the Blood Elf and Undead campaignes combined.

[Nephalim]

The only big role the humans had in RoC was the ascendance of Arthas from being the prince of Lorderon to becoming the champion of the Scourge.Only? That's half the game.

[KillAllZerg]

Undead campaigne: slaugtered
Orc campaigne: build new settlements in Kalimdor, which were destroyed by Grom and Thrall on their way to Stonetalon Peak
Night Elf campaigne: helped the Night Elves delay Archimonde.

[Reign of Kalos]

It's not about the physical appearences, as in they played a role in map such and such. It is the effects and consquences of the humans through out the time period that warcraft 3 is set. And in that, they are one of the stronger players, and shapers of the plot.

[Kingcrazygenius]

What's your point zerg?

[KillAllZerg]

That the only major contribution the humans had in RoC was the ascendence of Arthas. Long live the lucky bastard.

[Kingcrazygenius]

And the only major contribution of the undead is the summoning of the legion. and the only major contribution of the orcs are the killing of some super beings with hooves. and the only major contribution of the night elves is blowing Archimonde up with a tree.

They can all be simplified.

[KillAllZerg]

The Undead also destroyed the patron nation of the Alliance, the Elvin nation of Quel'thalas, and kill Antonidas, one of the greatest wizards to have ever lived.

The humans tried to protect themselves against the undead, but ended up with their prince becoming their champion.

Thats the difference between major and minor contributions.

[Kingcrazygenius]

What constitutes the majorness of an event is up for debate. I would say the purge of Straltholme and the death of a member of dwarven royalty (Muradin) are major events.

[CanadianGuy]

I'd say in RoC the night elves and orcs were equal in importance, Humans came second, and the undead played the major role.
In TFT The undead once again were most important (including the demons), the Humans and Night elves were equal, and the orcs came last (even a non-playable race overshadowed them)

[lordshadowbane]

Humans did jack besides Blood elf and Undead targets...-_-...

Night elf did jack besides hunt Illidan.

The game was about Illidan/naga/bloodelf vs Undead...

[Reign of Kalos]

The undead success is linked directly to human failure. The scourge wouldn't exist without humanity. The cult of the damned was formed from the discontent and disillusioned people of the nations, and that was the very groundwork from what forged the Scourge from one orc trapped inside an icecube to a vast army. Without human weakness, no scourge, no second coming of the legion, nothing. I would say this is a major role. The orcs and nightelves were mearly reactants, they weren't shaping the situation, more adapting to the plan as it played out. So what if the orcs nailed Mannoroth and the night elves got Archimonde? If it wasn't for the damn humans they wouldn't have gotten into that mess in the first place.

[airgod]

that true but with out humanity the orcs whod sill be under demon curpson but humanity brot the orcs,undead,and demons in the world but whond the night elfs 1s a race of humans but change by the magic pole ?

[TheNewHorde]

Ok, umm... I know people in this forum hates me and think I am dumb.. but I have this idea that is constructive and believable.

Orcs: They no longer plays a major part of warcraft. They will be the bad guys in WC4. Thrall and his shamanistic culture gets over thrown by the Warlocks, just like Lich King and Syslvanas. However, Thrall would try to convince Jaina to aid him fight the warlocks off for old times sake. Declined, Thrall did the unthinkable. He travel back into Stonetalon Peak, Medivh gives him info on what to do. Orcs gain the help from a new race which is yet unknown to us, and the oracle doesn't aid Thrall in any way, but tells him where to go to save his pepole. A army is gathered, and for the last map of the orc campaign, they fought back the warlocks as they sails toward the sea to the unknown race that Medivh told them about.

Undead: Lich King will be the NPC, no longer playable. Syslvanas plots against Arthas, but no move will be made. They gathered their forces with new creatures, and fought some battles and have made a few more enemies. Thrall finally arrived and instead of their original plot, they did turn good and their spirits set free. No longer seeking revenge on Arthas, they aided the Horde for a final time before they move on.

Humans: You play an expedition, exploring through the remanent of Northrend. You found the Lich King and his lackeys and unbelievable powerful force. It was unlike the old undead, it's power was limitless... They realize they face a threat as large as the Burning Legion itself. The survivers of the expedition was able to return to Azeroth and report. The humans set sail to tell the only ally trustable to them, the night elves.

Naga: The naga campaign is where Illidan finally lost to the Almighty might of Kil'jaeden. With some powersor artifact, Illidan was able to defeat Kil'jaeden by escaping his wrath. A level is to survive 45 minutes until Illidan's portal could be made. Kael and his blood elves allied with night elves and is trying to get to Kalimdor to Tyrande, but they have to escape Kil'jaeden. After escaping, the naga found the humans already there waiting. So is the orcs, and the unevil Forsakens. They all made a stand and a large settlement against the wrath of the Lich King.

Night Elves: To make the matters worst, they realize Kil'jaeden have plotted a different type of force against them. *You see, Kiljaeden plotted for the orcs to invade Azeroth, then the undead, but the brutal demon was smart enough to never set foot in the land.* It became a FFA, because Kil'jaeden's warrior's purpose is to kill the Lich King, and the Lich King is to kill all. So it became the five races *naga, orc, human, Forsaken spirits, night elves* stood united agaisnt the Lich King and his inevitable wrath. They defeated the Lich King, and like in WC3, they will let the land heal itself.


WC4 Expansion: But unlike WC3, in the WC4 expension, they decided to take a final step against the demons. They actually entered the twisted Nether and put an end to the demons in WC4. The races fought hard. They won, unbelievably they did, but that is because many things happened in between. When they came back to their homeland, Azeroth, it was taken by the Elements and the Old Gods. A totally different war was fought, at the end, the dragons, who are long gone, took the responsibility than to have the mortal face this evil alone. The dragon decided to do so because the Old GoDs are like the dragons, neither belong to the world, it belong to the mortal races. SO you get to control the dragons in WC4 expansion, not as a race, but as a special campaign race, like the naga in WC3 TFT. The dragons uses their plan, used their remainning powers and some artifact or nature powers, made big sacrifices, were extinct, but left a mark in the world. They will be forever rememberd, the mortal races lives freely in this war torn but will soon recover land. Forsaken's spirit have lifted. The world is at peace. The world of warcraft comes to an end, yet tales and maps and novels and extra lore will continue to come out, but the basic scene of the story have ended.

An Official The-New-Horde conclusion

This is unbelievable, and if you don't agree, please say it in a nice way, cause I got a bad heart and this is just a theory.

[twisted orc]

When the lk was playable?

[yunn]

that true but with out humanity the orcs whod sill be under demon curpson but humanity brot the orcs,undead,and demons in the world but whond the night elfs 1s a race of humans but change by the magic pole ?
:y-mm: Magic pole...?!! WTF... :y-mm:

[CanadianGuy]

@: TheNewHorde, I don't think that all the races would go LOOKING for the demons after battling the Lich King, trouble finds them enough so why go looking for it? otherwise it seams plausable in most ways