Nerubians & Silithids

[Diskordjah]

All right, some time ago we learned that before the sundering, the nerubians had a vast empire engaged in warfare with the trolls. after the sundering, this civilisation was divided into two: the nerubians in northrend, and the nerubians in southern kalimdor, aka silithus. we've also discovered the silithids, insectoid beings that are quite zergish. look at the map:

http://www.worldofwar.net/cartography/worldmap/silithus.php

anyone else getting the feeling that the spider people built a wall to keep the silithids at bay? that the silithids are not in any way related to said spidermen?

[A-Thousand-Lies]

Who are these spider people you speak of?

[Diskordjah]

the nerubians. like, the living versions of crypt fiends and crypt lords. didnt called em spider people since nerubian seem to mainly designate those of Azjol-Nerub, in Northrend.

[Kingcrazygenius]

Due to the similar names I simply assumed the Silithus and the Silithids are one in the same.

Though it would be an interesting twist if that wasn't the case.

[Diskordjah]

Silithus: area in kalimdor
Silithids: lives in Silithus.

consider yourself enlightened.

[kooaznboi1088]

Iuno, this is another one of those "we dont have enough evidence to even speculate" kinda question.
But IMO i think that all spiderlike creatures are somehow related to Azjor-Nerub.

[Diskordjah]

why not? we know that theres nerubians in southern silithus, we know that there is something called the scarab wall in the middle of the zone, and we've yet to see any silithid structure that doesnt seem grown zergstyle. plenty to speculate in, I reckon.

[Flinn Gaidin]

All right, some time ago we learned that before the sundering, the nerubians had a vast empire engaged in warfare with the trolls. after the sundering, this civilisation was divided into two: the nerubians in northrend, and the nerubians in southern kalimdor, aka silithus. we've also discovered the silithids, insectoid beings that are quite zergish. look at the map:

http://www.worldofwar.net/cartography/worldmap/silithus.php

anyone else getting the feeling that the spider people built a wall to keep the silithids at bay? that the silithids are not in any way related to said spidermen?
Is the map supposed to be what shows that the Silithids are Zergish? Because all it says is that they live in hives...
Who lives in the Southwind Village?

[Diskordjah]

found something that might be of relevance... in Un'goro crater there are 4 crystal pylons with unknown origins. at least, unknown to the player...

to me, they closely resemble the spirit towers of the Scourge, with a floating crystal on top. and, Ner'zhul adopted the architecture of the nerubians. and next to un'goro are the ahn'quiraj...

Im thinking these southern spiders built the pylons, and that they have something to do with the silithids: remember that in starcraft the zerg were manipulated by psi-emitters? well, think about THAT.

[yunn]

Blizzard creative team running out of brain juice...

[Cerebral_009]

We do know that the Silithuds are 'under the control of another, more powerful and menacing, force' - someone is using these alien-like insects as as tool of destriction. Alll over Silithus are structures like the pylons in Ungoro - the roadmarkers and gravestone have a similar apearance. Ancient Nerub', im sure. Beyond that, my knoweledge expires...

[Kingcrazygenius]

For the spider kingdom!

[Nephalim]

The Twin Empires
(read in Booty Bay)

About 16 000 years ago (long before the night elves foolishly called down the wrath of the Burning Legion), trolls lorded over much of Kalimdor (then a single continent). There were twin troll empires --the Gurubashi Empire of the southeastern jungles -- and the Amani Empire of the middle forestlands.
There were smaller tribes that lived far to the north (in the region now known as Northrend). These tribes founded a small nation known as Gundrak, but never achieved the size of prosperity of the southern empires.
The Gurubashi and Amani empires had little love for one another, but rarely warred against each other. At the time, their greatest common enemy was a third empire -- the Civilization of Azi'Aqir. The Aqir were intelligent insectoids who ruled the lands of the far west. These clever insectoids were greatly expansionistic and incredibly evil. The Aqir were obsessed with eradicating all non-insect life from the fields of Kalimdor.
The trolls fought them for many thousands of years, but never succeeded in winning a true victory over the Aqir. Eventually, due to the troll's persistence, the Aqiri kingdom split in half as its citizens fled to separate colonies in the far northern and southern regions of the continent.
Two Aqiri city-states emerged -- Azjol-Nerub in the northern wastes, and Ahn'Qiraj in the southern desert. Though the trolls suspected that there were other Aqiri colonies beneath Kalimdor, their existence was never verified.
With the insectoids driven into exile, the twin troll empires returned to business as usual. Despite their great victory, neither civilization expanded much farther than their original boundaries. However, ancient texts speak of a small faction of trolls that broke off from the Amani Empire and founded their own colony in the heart of the dark continent.
There, these brave pioneers discovered the cosmic Well of Eternity which transformed them into beings of immense power. Some legends suggest that these adventurous trolls were the first night elves, though this theory has never been proven.

*NOTE: I believe that the theory of the Amani pioneers becoming the first Kaldorei is false, and that they in fact became the Dark Trolls. This would account for four of the five troll species. This would also correspond to the effects of the Well, as the Dark Trolls are the largest of troll species (physically).

**NOTE 2: I also believe that the Aqiri of Ahn'Qiraj are NOT the Sillithids, but are rather protecting themselves FROM them.

[Kingcrazygenius]

I disagree with the part about the night elves, but agree about the thing with the Silithids.

[Nephalim]

Disagree with me or the book?

Either way, fair enough, though. It's all conjecture at this point, on both sides.

[Kingcrazygenius]

And here I thought it was heresay.

[Nephalim]

Uhh, well, it's both, at this point . . .

I'm sorry, are you trying to be a smartass? It's kinda hard to tell.

[Cerebral_009]

Uhh, well, it's both, at this point . . .

I'm sorry, are you trying to be a smartass? It's kinda hard to tell.


'Trying' implies effort. Being a smartarse flows naturally for the KCG, i'm sure.

So, The Silithuds are not Nerubian - those silent, intelegent, magicwielding civilization spidermen of Northrend and Southern Kalimdor... That Makes a lot of sense. Silithuds don't build structures like the Nerubians, and they dont communicate like Nerubians - hell, they're nothing like Nerubians.

I can see why the Nerubians would fight with the Trolls, hell, I'd fight the trolls. Nerubians seem like a fairly down to earth, if underestimated, 'super-power' - if somewhat descimated in Northrend and now, by all accounts, in Sillithus.

Are these bugs truly 'Alien'? (in the other planet origin sense) The Human Explorers in Ungoro (the Marshals) call them 'Alien', the Goblin in Gadgetzan who asks you to deal with them calls them 'Alien', and I think the Night Elf in the Temple of Elune who has Silithud quests calls them Alien, too. That's three distinct areas of the world that call these beasts 'Alien' - could they be offworld? Hell, the Ogres, Orcs, Demons and Dreani are offworlders - it's surely plausible...

[Diskordjah]

I agree about the quiraj not being silithids and that theyre likely opposed to them. after all, the "scarab wall" is built in a way that blocks all access to southern silithus, and north of the wall seems to be mainly hives...

the force that uses them is our fave dreadlord Balnazzar, btw.

[Kingcrazygenius]

'Trying' implies effort. Being a smartarse flows naturally for the KCG, i'm sure.

Flows as naturally as blood from a wound.

THEORY: The Silithids are living versions of locust swarm!

[Blastcan]

The Qiriji didn't build the wall to keep the Silithids out; they built the wall to keep YOU out. The Silithids are 'foot soldiers' in the Qiriji army.

[Nephalim]

So are the silithids Aqiri? Were they acquired by the Quiraji? I had tentatively assumed that the sillithids originated from whatever landed in the Un'Goro crater. Who told you that the silithids were allied with Ahn'Quiraj?

[FirstBorneEldar]

Well i looked at the map and the gate seems fairly an gate in bigger porpotions then the orginal ones of those in Azjol Nerub.
You ever seen them really and not in maps because if i see them we can put an end to this topic :P.....


(OOh and I remember someone was saying that the Portals could leadto toher worlds maybe early Starcraft worlds and other worlds*In this point im not well studied because i never played Daiblo or Starcraft*)

[perfectgamer911]

sorry for reopening this thread but I thought you might be interested in this

the map to see where I am:
http://img226.exs.cx/img226/5416/southrensilithusmap9ie.jpg

and what is there:
http://img226.exs.cx/img226/5673/taurenvillage14aw.jpg
http://img140.exs.cx/img140/4871/taurenvillage27vp.jpg
http://img213.exs.cx/img213/4382/taurenvillage35oo.jpg
http://img140.exs.cx/img140/4103/taurenvillagecave4jm.jpg

I was there to try and find a way into Southern silithus, and I actually came this close there was only one steep part of the mountain on which I couldn't come that held me from entering. I also have a screenshot of that.

[Diskordjah]

not exactly silithid related, but still a good find! those kinds of places are scattered around the inaccessible shorelines actually. there is a dwarf one on the east coast of Arathi, with a small dock and all.

[IlidanStormrage]

The Ahn'qiraj are using the Silithid as a tool. They themselves are imprisoned behind the Scarab Wall, which the druids appear to have put up. Also, there is a human in the Crystal Vale in Silithus who serves an elemental leautenent (SP), the wind one (Can't recall name at this moment...), and speaks of his master being consumed by Ragnaros nearly entirely, and the rest of his essence being put into a crystal (Or some such thing) and being smashed by Ragnaros's hammer into two perfect pieces that were then given to his generals. One of these was found, a "Legendary" item by WoW standards, in the Molten Core. I believe that the other one will drop eventually, and combining them may lead to a quest...

What this means: These two pendants/crystals will be combined to make a powerful artifact to resummon the wind lord and the hammer of Ragnaros will be used to open Southern Silithus. I think.

[Nephalim]

Eventually. Ahn'Qiraj is not likely to be added for quite some time, I reckon.

And it's Al'Akir.

[FirstBorneEldar]

Its an world event :P

[Darkeggy]

Actually, the Thunder elemental lord is Thunderaan.

Elemental guy in disguise (as a human) in Silithus says:


Look to this ravaged field and know the power that the elements hold, orc.
- What do you know of it?

I know much, listen and be educated, orc.
- I am listening, Demitrian.

In the time before time, what the usurpers would later call the First Age of Creation, my master and his siblings ruled over this world. It was they, the Old Gods, who created all

And it was they who would ultimately be cast down by those that would call themselves the Shapers.
- Continue, please.

Their manifest forms weak from eons of battle, imprisoned beneath the world that they themselves created - the corruption of the Titan Shapers would permeate through the surface and befoul the Old Gods.

It was then and there that the brothers did turn. For five millenia a battle was fought at the core of this world.
-A battle?

It was during the Elemental Sundering that the Firelord, Ragnaros, would seek to consume my lord, Thunderaan, Prince of Air.

<Demitrian bows his head, his face contorted in anger.>

Speak his name and I shall decorate this ravaged camp in your entrails. Be silent and listen.
-<Nod.>

It was the Lieutenants of Ragnaros, Geddon and Garr, who would perpetrate the betrayal of my Lord. Thunderaan was caught unaware.
-Caught unaware? How?

The Firelord's advances were wholly unknown to Thunderaan. Before my Lord could react, Sulfuras, legendary hammer of Ragnaros, would strike and unmerciful blow. Thunderaan fell, utterly defeated.

The Firelord feasted upon the essence of my Lord, but was unable to consume him entirely.
-So what did Ragnaros do next?

What little remained of Thunderaan's essence was stored within a talisman of elemental binding. Ragnaros then shattered the talisman into two flawless pieces. The pieces assigned to his Lieutenants...

[IlidanStormrage]

He isn't neccisarily in disguise. He may be a human that serves the elementals.

But thanks for posting that. Thunderaan is apparently a less elemental lord.

[Diskordjah]

he's Twilights Hammer, he's likely a human serving elementals. elementals generally dont wear disguises as far as Ive seen?

[IlidanStormrage]

I've never seen a true elemental wearing a disguise. He's a Twilight's Hammer, or just some human that serves the elementals.

[Darkeggy]

I've never seen a true elemental wearing a disguise. He's a Twilight's Hammer, or just some human that serves the elementals.

Oh yeah, thats right. It's the dragons that can hide as other races. : /