Update On Alliance Status

[kooaznboi1088]

Assuming that WoW quests are part of the storyline, and each quest you complete makes it an event that happened in the storyline here are the updates for people who do not have WoW... like King.

Stromguarde: Well its 1000+ army has just lost its leader. Prince Galen Trollbane dies to your hands as part of a quest to retrieve a Sigil. As of now, Stromguarde as a nation does not exist, all the members of its royal line dead and city in ruins... The only possible way there is of revival is if there was some sort of Trollbane royalty that survived.

Alterac/Syndicate: Lord Perinolde dies to your hands as well via quest. And a very intriguing storyline is jsut brought up

"A day or two ago, I was visited by the leader of this Syndicate. His name was Aiden Perenolde, and styled himself lord of this land. He confided in me his plans to take the orcs that stood against him as slaves, just as his father and his mentor, the despised Blackmoore, had planned.

More important was that he brought his mistress, a wisp of a girl named Elysa. Around her neck was the pendant the Warchief desires.

Now go, I will make my own way, after I have settled my business here"

That paragraph just implicated that Blackmoore was Perinolde's father. I personally have no idea how the connection can be devised. Unless Blackmoore waas like 80+ years old when 2nd war ended, or he had kids when he was like 10 there is just no way this can possibly happen.

[kooaznboi1088]

argh no1's discussing it, maybe i should have named the title "update" instead.

[Nephalim]

Aedelas Blackmoore is likely not Perenolde's father. Blackmoore and Perenolde were probably brothers, if this holds. According to Lord of the Clans, Aedelas' father betrayed the Alliance in the Second War, but details were sketchy.

And also, just on a side note, the fact that you're sent to kill him hardly means he's canonically dead. How many guys have we killed in Warcraft that we end up meeting again later? That aside, it works for me, for now, but in World we're killing so many important (relatively, I guess) people that a few are bound to turn up alive later.

[kooaznboi1088]

Aedelas Blackmoore is likely not Perenolde's father. Blackmoore and Perenolde were probably brothers, if this holds. According to Lord of the Clans, Aedelas' father betrayed the Alliance in the Second War, but details were sketchy.

I strongly want to agree with you on that. But the fact that the prisoner you freed in a quest given to you in WoW says that Blackmoore was his father proves you wrong.
But your notion that Blackmoore might have been his brother might be correct. Now that I think about it, this might not have been Aedelas Blackmoore, but MAYBE another Blackmoore?

And also, just on a side note, the fact that you're sent to kill him hardly means he's canonically dead. How many guys have we killed in Warcraft that we end up meeting again later? That aside, it works for me, for now, but in World we're killing so many important (relatively, I guess) people that a few are bound to turn up alive later.

I fully disagree with you on this though. When an objective says
"Kill Lord Perenolde 1/1 (Completed)" it means that you in fact have killed Perenolde.
I think you are underestimating the impact WoW's quest is goign to have on the storyline. IMO its goign to be big, because of the fact that so many important people are ordered to be killed.

[Nephalim]

I fully disagree with you on this though. When an objective says
"Kill Lord Perenolde 1/1 (Completed)" it means that you in fact have killed Perenolde.Fine, but what if we find out next game that all the people who attempted to kill Perenolde, in fact failed? What if we learn that Krusk sent a ton of people at him but they all failed? This would still fit the story, because it's likely the odd character HAS failed to kill Aiden Perenolde.

Like I said, this is all good enough for me, for now. But if I later hear tell that not everything has gone down according to plan, it won't surprise me.

[kooaznboi1088]

What about the fact that you reported it to Krusk and you actually gave him the necklace for Thrall? Doesn't the existance of that event(handing over the necklace) mean that you have in fact sucesseded?

[Nephalim]

Yes, that's what I did, but that's not what everyone else did. Exactly how all this will get translated out remains to be seen, but it'll be far from literal, unless we learn that he was killed several thousand times.

Now personally I think the Perenolde quest to be a bad example of my point. I was referring to the one you mentioned, about Galen Trollbane. Pay attention to what you're asked for. Not Galen Trollbane slain, not the head or heart of Galen, but rather, the Sigil of Stromgarde. Now, I'm assuming that you're right and that he is dead, all I'm saying is since this is left up to players, that hardly makes it set in stone.

[kooaznboi1088]

More Updates:
The legendary sword of the Trollbane family, Troll'Kalar, is in the hands of the Horde. You rob the grave and kill the formidable guards that Galen placed to protect his pricless treasure (3 old guys armed with lanturns). The sword is now in the hand of a Darkspear troll in the Horde settlment Grom'gul.

It seems that the Crushridge ogres broke free of Sylvanas after she possessed them with her banshees. But, now the Crushridge Clan of the ogres do not have a leader anymore. All of their top members Targ, Glommus, Muckrake, Or'Kalar have been killed. Muk'thol is dead and the Crown of Will is back in Sylvanas' hands.

[Reign of Kalos]

I fully disagree with you on this though. When an objective says
"Kill Lord Perenolde 1/1 (Completed)" it means that you in fact have killed Perenolde.
I think you are underestimating the impact WoW's quest is goign to have on the storyline. IMO its goign to be big, because of the fact that so many important people are ordered to be killed.
Sounds like what happened to Balnazzar. Sylvanas told Varimathras to kill him, and it did look like he did. We honestly thought at that point he was gone. WoW comes along, and he's alive and kicking, leader of the Crusade. From certaint demise to apparent life.

[Diskordjah]

A day or two ago, I was visited by the leader of this Syndicate. His name was Aiden Perenolde, and styled himself lord of this land. He confided in me his plans to take the orcs that stood against him as slaves, just as his father and his mentor, the despised Blackmoore, had planned.

you guys are silly. its not "my father and mentor" in ONE person, its "my fathen and my mentor", which makes makes Blackmoore the mentor, and a senior perenolde his father. two people.

yes, Ive pondered that one as well. :y-thumbsu


and yeah, I think quests counts as lore, thats why the factional quests almost never clash. like, you get not quests if you are alliance in hillsbrad.

[Romanov77]

Thanks ,this is very interesting stuff!!

So..what about that rumor that Lord Perenold became a Death knight... it was untrue??

[Nephalim]

Well, I may be to blame for that rumour, and I think now it's safe to say it was some other Perenolde. But it's not entirely my fault. According to Day of the Dragon, Perenolde was the last Perenolde. New information has come to light which says that this is not true. Perenolde had several children, the eldest of which is the treacherous sorceress, Beve Perenolde, who, I believe, we shall see later. Baron Perenolde, the death knight who served ner'zhul, is likely another disenfranchised relative of Aiden's.

[Kingcrazygenius]

you guys are silly. its not "my father and mentor" in ONE person, its "my fathen and my mentor", which makes makes Blackmoore the mentor, and a senior perenolde his father. two people.

yes, Ive pondered that one as well.

That is what I gathered before I saw kooaznboi mangle it all with his strange theories. I mean why would a spawn of Blackmoore spawn someone who would take Perenolde's name but then openly admit that his father was a Blackmoore?

And why is that family so ripe with trechery?

[Nephalim]

If there's one thing that the American government has taught me, it's that deceit is hereditary.

[kooaznboi1088]

The quest was named "Blackmoore's Legacy". And legacy is defined as "Something handed down from an ancestor".

But omg, I can't believe I didn't notice that.

[Kingcrazygenius]

If there's one thing that the American government has taught me, it's that deceit is hereditary.

I figured it would have taught you that, indeed, everyone is an idiot.

[Rowan Seven]

Wait. Is Aiden Perenolde _the_ Perenolde who betrayed the Alliance in the Second War or another member of the family? I've been confused on this point for a while. Also, isn't Baron Perenolde the Deathknight in "World of Warcraft"? I could swear that Diskordjah posted something about him in one of the "New Lore" threads a long time ago...

Anyway, on the subject of NPC deaths, my opinion is that if it is part of a quest requirement (i.e. destroy NPC X), chances are that character is canonically dead unless Blizzard changes their minds (which they seem to do every now and then). If, however, NPC X is killed incidentally while accomplishing a quest and the quest requirements don't ask this of the players, then I'm inclined to believe that NPC X is still canonically alive even if he or she is slain by players.

[Lord Kil'jaeden]

The Baron Perenolde as the Death Knight was said to be present in World of Warcraft long time ago, that is right.

But until now, the only "big" Death Knight that has been slayed in one of those high level quest during the beta was the Baron Rivendare (http://webperso.easyconnect.fr/triex/albums/original/WoWScrnShot_092404_042352.jpg) in the Stratholme area.

[Diskordjah]

see, among the deathknight proper hero names in WC3 was indeed a Perenolde, which I kinda used to my benefit. if the deathknight perenolde is to be considered "canon" (ie that THERE IS a deathknight from the Perenolde family, NOT that he did what I made him do) then it is still unclear which Perenolde it is. the fact that he is called Baron could be a clue however, either the traitor (executed and raised, since he did work with nerzhul?) or his oldest son.

however, I believe the Perenolde in WoW that you kill is the son of the original traitor, quest description seems to indicate that clearly. at least he is the ELDEST son since he claims to be the lord of the land...

[Kingcrazygenius]

If it were his son I'd think he'd have a higher title of royalty. Baron denotes the lowest form of royalty; anything less would be mere nobility.

[Nephalim]

Wait. Is Aiden Perenolde _the_ Perenolde who betrayed the Alliance in the Second War or another member of the family? I've been confused on this point for a while. Me too. The World of Warcraft quest sort of infers that he's the son of the original Perenolde. However, Lands of Conflict has significantly more information on Aiden Perenolde and it states that he is THE Lord Perenolde of old rather explicitly.

At the risk of being sued, I shall post it:
"Aiden grew up wealthy, never knowing need. He adored his home in the Alterac Mountains, but had his eyes on Lordaeron City. He held none of the lineage for the throne, even if everyone in Lordaeron died inexplicably. When the Horde invaded Lordaeron, he saw his chance to ride the wave of their destruction and claim the jewel of the Alliance as his own. When the nobles were thrust from their lands into the Arathi Highlands after the Horde's defeat, he knew that if they didn't work together they would die. He managed to gain a loose hold on the prickly nobles to organize raiding parties on he local towns. When he regained control of his lands - and his neighbours 0 after the Third War, he had a burning desire to punish the Alliance (never mind that it lay shattered with the fall of Lordaeron). He managed to urge his fellow nobles into taking more and more surrounding land, and currently the Syndicate holds a good portion of the Alterac Mountains and Arathi Highlands. He knows he is a target for the nobles who chafe under his rule and protects himself accordingly. He is 66, dark of skin and hair, with blue eyes."

[Kingcrazygenius]

So this Aiden Perenolde is the arch traitor of the Alliance in the second war. So who is the death knight Baron Perenolde? Does he exist? Is he Aiden's son or perhaps a close relation?

So Perenolde runs the Syndicate?

[kooaznboi1088]

Disk: Aiden Perenolde is not the son of the former ruler of Alterac, instead they are in and the same. Why do you think I would spend time thinking about how Blackmoore can possibly concieve Aiden Perenolde. But yeah perhaps they are mentor/pupil, which can still be odd given that Perenolde is 66 years old.

King: Yes, the former Alterac ruler is the ruler of the Syndicate in case. We have no information on the Deathknight named Baron Perenolde.

Rowan: One and the same according to the WC2 manual and Lands of Conflict.

[Kingcrazygenius]

Neph just quoted the book that said he was only 66.

[kooaznboi1088]

Neph just quoted the book that said he was only 66.
Whatever, he's still old.

[Rowan Seven]

Well, Aiden Perenolde could still be the son of the Warcraft II Perenolde, with "saw his chance" referring to the son supporting the father's decision to ally with the Horde. Personally, I find it unlikely that the Alliance would've merely dispossessed the Warcraft II Perenolde for his treachery, as seems to have happened to Aiden Perenolde. As for Aiden Perenolde's age, Blizzard appears to have a tendency to modify ages as they see fit regardless of how the modifications fit the timeline. Tirion Fordring's son (as present in "Lands of Conflict") is a clear example of this, and I'm willing to go with what "World of Warcraft" says over the occasionally buggy RPG books.

[Diskordjah]

dont they call him ALiden Perenolde in WoW, with an L? small thing, yet could be significant?