Scarlet Crusaders

[kooaznboi1088]

I never played the Alliance before so I do not know the full story of the Scarlets.

1. When did they suddenly appear within the Alliance?
2. How did the Alliance suddenly accept an independent, paramilitary organization within their kingdom of Azeroth without any sort of juridiction?
3. Does Balzanaar fund the Crusaders? if not who does?
4. Whats the background story behind the crusaders?
5. How did Balzzanaar manage to keep the crusaders' actions independent from the influence of other human nations?
6. Are they waging a 2 front war against the Scourge and the Forsaken?
7. Where do they recruit their members? or is it just random signups?
8. Who originally started the Crusaders? What was their goal?

[Reign of Kalos]

I never played the Alliance before so I do not know the full story of the Scarlets.

1. When did they suddenly appear within the Alliance?
2. How did the Alliance suddenly accept an independent, paramilitary organization within their kingdom of Azeroth without any sort of juridiction?
3. Does Balzanaar fund the Crusaders? if not who does?
4. Whats the background story behind the crusaders?
5. How did Balzzanaar manage to keep the crusaders' actions independent from the influence of other human nations?
6. Are they waging a 2 front war against the Scourge and the Forsaken?
7. Where do they recruit their members? or is it just random signups?
8. Who originally started the Crusaders? What was their goal?
Balnazzar is essentially the administration of the Scarlet Crusade. He organises them, and thier sort of his army to take back the Plaguelands for himself. As a Nathrezim he has strong mental manipulative powers, the inner circle of the Clusade are probably all under his control, and thus can easily mantain control over the humans in the crusade. To the best of my knowledge there has been no official acceptance of them, they operate under cover, most likely recruiting and gathering supplies, in Alliance territory mostly.

The Crusade judges all undead enemies, as to the less ranks they are all intruders in thier lands, and to the higher ranks that make the big choices they would oppose thier objectives, so it's safe to say that they wouldn't be alies with the scourge or anything, most lower members wouldn't accept that, peace with the enemy. The crusade has many possible starting points, it's just hard to difine what the crusade had to be to become it's own identity. You could say that when the Arthas attacks started, local militias got together and fought against the undead. Then after the human cities were all taken down, and it became martial law, that little bands of bandits and those left over from the army banded together to resist death. Or it could be when Balnazzar "died", and he at some point took control of one of these pockets of resistance. Thus creating a strog leadership that could make the Forsaken run into difficulties. It's all perpective, what you judge to be the Crusade to be. A fighting force against undead domination? Pawns of another dark demonic lord?

[kooaznboi1088]

Well that still doesn't answer my important questions.
But I don't think they operate undercover, having forts all around, navies, and armies doesn't seem like undercover to me.

[Reign of Kalos]

Well that still doesn't answer my important questions.
But I don't think they operate undercover, having forts all around, navies, and armies doesn't seem like undercover to me.
I meant under cover in the alliance territory. For example, there is a scarlet crusade bishop in the cathederal of light, but not out in the open, but sculking in the basement. They do not operte in stealth in the plaguelands however. Hence the keyword "in Alliance territories", there are absolutely none running around where there are Stormwind guards, or professional alliance troops. You won't find any in all of Elwynn forest, or for many miles around it, except that lone bishop.

There was never an offical recognition or acceptence of the crusade, it is simply there, an unoffical undead resistence cell. Sort of like the people's militia in Westfall, except bigger. There wa never an prince or noble making a speech accepting them, it's just they are there, and no offical gouvernment is making an sort of agreement with them really. It's all off the record so to speak. That acceptence by the rest of the alliance hasn't happened.

Anyway I'm not understanding. I've answer questions 1 though 7. Please highlight any topic you wish to discuss in greater detail.

[kooaznboi1088]

So like the Alliance just accepts an independent army just lying there?
The Kings never tried to influence the action of this army?

[Reign of Kalos]

So like the Alliance just accepts an independent army just lying there?
The Kings never tried to influence the action of this army?
Pretty much yes. It's like a bandit group. A very large one, but they are only woking to hurt the enemies of the Alliance, so it's considered ok. It's the perfect army. If they score major victories then the Alliance can boast about human supremisy and how they will never fall, and if they lose they'll be able to say they weren't even a proper army, just a bunch of overgrown peasents trying to stand up to what they can't beat. most of them aren't seasoned professionals, just what's left pf the population trying to strike back at thier oppressors.

Besides which the lords aren't omniscient, how would they know what goes on deep behind enemy lines that well? Intel is limited, and according to the Scarlet's apparent lack of visibiliy in human lands, they don't want to be known. It's sort f hard to know exactly who these dudes are, what they are doing, and such and such. They might be giving resources to what later would be thier enemy. Stormwind wouldn't give them jack until they're sure about what thier intentions are. Hell they abandoned Westfall, well into Human territory, they refuse to help the farmers down there, who are trying to fight off defias. There are much less sinister and trustworthy sources out there that haven't been given a cent, why would this one, so far away, with it's leadership unknown, get any help from Stormwind?

[Rowan Seven]

Scarlet Crusade Emissary (http://img40.exs.cx/img40/4176/119nijelspointscarletcrusade4f.jpg)

I managed to loop around the guards defending the entrance to Nijel's Point last night, and after some exploring and a death I noticed, much to my surprise, that there is a Scarlet Crusade emissary residing there. Does anyone here know what Brother Anton is doing so far away from Lordaeron in the Desolace?

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[Nephalim]

From Lands of Conflict:

Condoned by the Alliance?

The Alliance races have many problems currently, the greatest of which is the loss of their homeland to the undead, the Horde, the demons, and various monsters. Their once proud populations are either dead, undead, or in hiding. They don't even have much of a base to call their own except for the remote city of Stormwind, too far away to deal with the problems of Lordaeron with any real effectiveness.
The elimination of the Scourge is any reasonable mortal's goal, but the Scarlet Crusdae considers the many mortals it kills in its quest acceptable losses. To the Alliance, the Crusade's single-mindedness is madness.
So, no, the Alliance does not condone the Scarlet Crusade's actions, but sees the problems caused by this organization as akin to having a stain on your shirt while your house is on fire. Until the greater problems are dealt with and the homeland is retaken, the Crusade will be free to act as it wishes.