So...what's the deal with warlocks?

[Rowan Seven]

I know this question has been asked before, but now that "World of Warcraft" has been released does anybody know the exact position warlocks have in Alliance and Horde society and why they seem to be tolerated? I can understand the Forsaken and gnomes embracing such dark, destructive magic, but the orcs and humans? I created an orc shaman today and was surprised to see a warlock trainer in the main starting area close to a couple other trainers and, if I'm remembering correctly, a corpse belonging to "The Oracle" or somebody nearby on the ground. The quests involving the Burning Blade Coven make the presence of the warlock trainer even more puzzling.

[Nephalim]

The human warlocks believe that only the weak fall prey to corruption, and some see them as heroic for risking their soul to battle evil. All the warlocks I met were actually very nice, not power-crazy but rather concerned with the plight of humanity. They think they're helping by using the demon power against them.

While I can't be entirely sure, I think that the orc warlocks aren't entirely permitted. The Burning Blade and Searing Blade are examples of orcs who have left the Horde to pursue their demonic magic unmolested. The Shattered Hand, on the other hand, are a rogue organization within the Horde, secretly working to assassinate Thrall. They believe that Thrall getting rid of all the warlocks was a bad idea. But the whole affair seems very cloak and dagger. And of course the Forsaken don't give a crap.

Funnily enough, the Forsaken seem to be the most together group among all the races. They do suffer from some deceit among their circles, but for the most part, all the Forsaken are loyal to the same cause. Meanwhile, the humans have the Syndicate, Defias, etc, the orcs have the Shattered Hand and Jaedenar, the Tauren have the Grimtotems, the trolls have Gurubashi loyalists, the gnomes have the Mechgineer and his crowd, the dwarves have the dark irons, and the night elves have the delicate druid situation with Fandral, who we all know just HAS to be hiding something. The undead, meanwhile, have no organization within its ranks attempting to dislodge the current powers that be.

[Grt490]

Funnily enough, the Forsaken seem to be the most together group among all the races. They do suffer from some deceit among their circles, but for the most part, all the Forsaken are loyal to the same cause. Meanwhile, the humans have the Syndicate, Defias, etc, the orcs have the Shattered Hand and Jaedenar, the Tauren have the Grimtotems, the trolls have Gurubashi loyalists, the gnomes have the Mechgineer and his crowd, the dwarves have the dark irons, and the night elves have the delicate druid situation with Fandral, who we all know just HAS to be hiding something. The undead, meanwhile, have no organization within its ranks attempting to dislodge the current powers that be.

That is mainly because they are a rouge group attempting to overthrow the Scourge, much like the Defias are attempting to do with Stormwind and the Shattered hand are doing to the Horde. In such a group there is very little upheavel in the ranks due to the desperation of the situation. It also doesn't hurt that their leader, Sylvanis, is held as almost divine by her underlings which keeps the peace very well.

[Nephalim]

Yes but the Forsaken aren't trying to tear the Scourge apart from within, they're at open war. I don't think it's anything comparable to the Shattered Hand.

But whatever the case, I still think it's funny.

[Diskordjah]

though... alliance warlocks seem pretty hidden away, all the time. Forlorn cavern is really damn dark, and human warlocks in stormwind... well' not only are they hidden away in secret catacombs under the Lamb, but they actually sent me to assassinate a Stormwind Noble that was looking a bit too hard at them. poisoned beer, as it were. hehe.

[Reign of Kalos]

poisoned beer, as it were. hehe.
Such evil cunning, these warlocks must be really smart to think up a plan like that! I would have just tried to drop an anvil on him...

[Kingcrazygenius]

I'd catch 'em with rocket-powered roller skates.

[Diskordjah]

Such evil cunning, these warlocks must be really smart to think up a plan like that! I would have just tried to drop an anvil on him...

they had me picking rare roots near the stonewrought dam in the wetlands as well as finding an elusive white flower in the garden of Stalvan in Duskwood. mucho running around =/

[Reign of Kalos]

Lazy guys they are then! Tell them to get thier own damn herbs! In fact, don't get yourself involved in an assassination attempt, first rule of that is to assassinate the assassin! Not to mention what happens when you fail and get caught...

[Cerebral_009]

Lazy guys they are then! Tell them to get thier own damn herbs! In fact, don't get yourself involved in an assassination attempt, first rule of that is to assassinate the assassin! Not to mention what happens when you fail and get caught...
A good assassin should always die by assassination. But never, ever, get caught!


..... trust me.

[WarDragon]

Of course Warlocks are lazy! If they weren't, would they summon demons to do all their fighting for them?

[g00d4n0thing]

Auuuggghhh !!! >.< I'm so missing out....did ANYONE else pre-order WoW? and not receive it yet.. -_- I'm so hungry for it..

[Aj Windshadow]

Sorry for asking this but i have relatively v.less info but didnt thrall try to help the shattered hand before becoming the warcheif?
those guys were in a mess selling their weapons attached to their hands for elixir.

[Diskordjah]

true. they seem to have short memories, OR its just an organisation using the Shattered Hand name.

[Nephalim]

those guys were in a mess selling their weapons attached to their hands for elixir.I'm sorry, where's this info coming from? I've never heard about this at all.

[Rowan Seven]

I'm sorry, where's this info coming from? I've never heard about this at all.

I believe it was a task in the cancelled "Warcraft Adventures" game. Consequently, its validity is questionable.

[Nephalim]

I'm pretty sure that everything from Warcraft Adventures isn't supposed to be taken as canon, unless corroborated (and little has been) by other sources.

[Aj Windshadow]

I thought it might be in the lord of the clans book too.
Unbelievable though, is the all knowing lore master didnt know about Warcraft adventures and its palo.

[Nephalim]

though... alliance warlocks seem pretty hidden away, all the time. Forlorn cavern is really damn dark, and human warlocks in stormwind... well' not only are they hidden away in secret catacombs under the Lamb, but they actually sent me to assassinate a Stormwind Noble that was looking a bit too hard at them. poisoned beer, as it were. hehe. Good test: ask the Stormwind guards where to find a warlock trainer, he says "What? I don't think there are any warlocks in Stormwind. But there's apparently been some demonic activity by the Slaughtered Lamb, try checking there."

When you play, YOU seem to be the only warlock no one has a problem with.

[Cerebral_009]

Good test: ask the Stormwind guards where to find a warlock trainer, he says "What? I don't think there are any warlocks in Stormwind. But there's apparently been some demonic activity by the Slaughtered Lamb, try checking there."

When you play, YOU seem to be the only warlock no one has a problem with.
Even rogues get that treatment.... especially from the Ironforge gaurds.

There's a point: I play for, on average, 6 hours a day - often more, sometimes less (I'm trying not to totally forsake my social life) and I've not once seen a Dwarf Rogue. That's the problem with the Elune server - Night Elves are most definately the dominant race there! Unsurprisingly. There are really very few humans.... even in human lands!

But yeah - warlocks are not really tolerated. The trainers are usually secreted away in cellars, graveyards, or other dark places - much like the rogues. I tend to view the massive Fel Hound in the demon Trainers in Ironforge as a necessary sign post - I'm quite sure the Dwarves would take issue with a human living among them who has a pet capable of devestating their populace.

[kooaznboi1088]

Well incase some of you have not noticed.

The Warlocks are tolerated in the Horde because Thrall recognizes them as his brethren, and the "legal" warlocks have pledged to serve the Horde. I'm not talking about Neeru and his Shattered Hand.

Also, could the Warcraft Adventures Thrall be helping the Shattered Hand Clan? Because I'm pretty sure there was no Shattered Hand Warlocks then.

[Nephalim]

Who's to say that there are any warlocks who aren't working for the Burning Blade?

[kooaznboi1088]

Who's to say that there are any warlocks who aren't working for the Burning Blade?

They can't be all working against the Warchief. In fact if you start a character in WoW you have a choice to NOT work against the Warchief.