Illidan's Death

[Almighty Nimbin]

I hope that this is the write place to put this, I'm not to sure...neway.

This may have been posted before but i didn't see it if it was and i wanted to know what u guys thought so...

What do U think happened to Illidan Stormrage after his battle his Arthas. Now I've read in some sources that he lives and that in others he dies. Personally I like to believe that he survived cause I reckon he the kewlest guy in the game.

I also tested who was stronger out of the two in a crappyily made custom map of mine (it didn't have to be very good I was testing who was better not my map making skills).
I tested them both on lvl 1 and then on lvl 10 and Illidan won both times.

The stupid thing is that Arthas jumped off his horse. Now if you think about it wouldn't that make it him weaker? Neway.

Please post what u think happened to him and if u have concrete eveidence to what happened please share it.

Almighty_Nimbin

[rålfwårg]

There is no concrete evidence as far as I know relating to Illidian. You'll just have to be (snort) patient (supressed giggle).

[jonirenicus666]

it doesnt neccessarily have to follow the rules of the game. and remember, arthas was no ordinary death knight, he was infused with teh lich kings magic, It's not about rules, it's about story. Maybe illidan will survive, if so i dunnae think he's in WoW yet, surely we would have heard.

[yunn]

Arthas - Illidan feud rules
1. Game mechanics do not count.
2. Kewl-ness does not count. Be sure to debate without the fanboy bias.
3. Try to keep Anub'arak, Kael and Vashj out of this. See below.

Points from previous discussions from the SPF
1. Illidan has been locked up for 10,000 years, with nothing to practice on.
2. Illidan is a sorceror, not a warrior.
3. Arthas is just a short distance from his source of power, the Lich King.
4. Assume Kael, Vashj and Anub'arak are busy with each other at time of fight.
5. Illidan had just been recently locked up by Maiev again.
6. Speculation: Arthas was already more powerful than Illidan, reason being that he merely held back when the two met during RoC, while Illidan went all out to kill him.
7. Speculation: No. 6 can be countered because Illidan had consumed the Skull of Gul'dan, and given more time to train since his last battle.
8. The jump that Illidan did was "silly" as it exposed his chest to Arthas, who obviously sliced it.
9. Many people saw Illidan move/twitch in the last cinematic after being "slain" (though I fail to see how that is relevant).
10. Arthas has the powerful legendary runeblade, Frostmourne.
11. Similarly, Illidan carries the twin warglaives infused with the essence of a demon named Azzinoth, which he slew.
12. Illidan is neither night elf nor demon, but something more.
13. Arthas is not undead, but lost his soul to Frostmourne/the Lich King.
14. Muradin was killed by a chunk of ice. No... wait, that's irrelevant.

Lastly...

Illidan is not dead. He is the outland, disgraced from defeat, but probably planning something else. I don't think it's a spoiler, since it's unveiled in such an undramatic fashion in one of the Warcraft RPG books. So, fanboys, rejoice.

That concludes my presentation. Any questions?

Feel free to add anything more, my fellow SPF comrades.

[Diskordjah]

wow... this old lore! ah well, recap:

1) Illidan is alive and on Outland.

2) Arthas was the better swordsman.

[quetzalcoatl5]

Its wierd to think that something we discussed over a year ago is now being brought up again. Its almost easy to forget that nothing actually has been released in the video gamers worlds since TFT. But yeah, Illidan is not dead, but he isn't as combat oriented as Arthas and not as mystically powerful as the Lich King, so he really has no chance against the fused being now.

[Lord Kil'jaeden]

Nice overview yunn.
I think you have covered everything previously stated there.

[WarDragon]

Indeed; Yunn's overview and Quetz's short and sweet summary have covered pretty much everything that I had to say.

Except for two things; first, welcome, Nimbin! Hope you enjoy your stay. Second, I personally believe that keeping Illidan alive was one of Blizzard's sillier decisions in recent times, but that may just be because I hate him.

[Romanov77]

Indeed; Yunn's overview and Quetz's short and sweet summary have covered pretty much everything that I had to say.

Except for two things; first, welcome, Nimbin! Hope you enjoy your stay. Second, I personally believe that keeping Illidan alive was one of Blizzard's sillier decisions in recent times, but that may just be because I hate him.

Seconds everything.

Welcome included :g grin:

[Lord Kil'jaeden]

Indeed, there are so many huge danger for the Azeroth worlds coming in WoW, that i don't understand why Blizzard decided that Illidan would be alive.

Quoting this page (http://wow.warcraftstrategy.com/lore/manualofmonsters.php)
Blue Dragons frequently make pilgrimages to Northrend to seek answers from the spirits of their dead kin. The greatest sorcerors amongst this Dragonflight say that the spirits of their dead warn of a new upheaval on the horizon, a cataclysm that will outweigh all the world of Azeroth has ever faced.

There are many possible beginning to this cataclysm prophecy going on in Wow

-Silithids devouring everything in their expanding path
-the New Plague always in the work by the Forsaken faction
-the Sourge with their more powerfull than anyone Lich King
-The Burning Legion working for their 3rd coming
-The Twilight Cult+Ragnaros+others folks working for the Old Gods come back
-possible Titan return to Azeroth, maybe not happy with what they will see.
-Naga rising from their sea place in the middle of a greater chaos.
-crazy new Archdruid creating a corrupting world tree.

Really there is more than enough to destroy Azeroth
The Blood elves, the Nagas squads following Illidan , the Draenis , all of them has no real need of him alive to continue what they are doing.
So i see no real need of him alive for the next stage of the story and the prophecy.

[Silver Bullet]

Illidan is a very powerful Warrior..his magic prowess is less than that of his Warrior prowess, but you have to remember the guy is blind..he relies heavily on his hearing and magical nose...now smelling wont help him pinpoint where Arthas is in a battle...and seeing as they were in Northrend there could've been a huge amount of wind which could've totally screwed his hearing seeing as he isn't used to that.

So Illidan fighting at Northrend could be seen as a distinct advantage for Arthas..that and yunn said Arthas is close to his source of strength.

(It's just like if Arthas had fought Illidan in a pitch dark cave, or at night time in the forests Illidan could've won...notice could've it's all preety much a mute point now that Arthas fused with the Lich King).

No offense but seeing as no one really knows what is happening next who says they don't need Illidan to guide them, I mean both Vashj, and Kael are intelligent and reasonable people but which one will lead their people...both of them have troops invested, both of them are as I said before intelligent but simple things could be made complicated if a conflict of interests arises..which it very well could've if Illidan was dead...and we really don't need even more fighting.

[BornIn1142]

Hearing? Smell?
Thanks for missing what the BLIZZARD SITE says...

These mysterious warriors ritually blind themselves so that they develop 'spectral sight' that enables them to see demons and undead with greater clarity.

-Demon Hunter.

[I1Ladin]

I Think they had an agreement, and are currently working to rule the world.... mwahahahaha :y-sneaky: :y-annoyed

[WarDragon]

Silver Bullet: Everything about Illidan, with the sole and irrelevant exception of the in-game Demon Hunter stats, agrees that he is a Sorcerer first, and warrior second. In the War of the Ancients trilogy, he has pretty much no martial talent at all by the end of the second book, but everyone says he's one of the best magic-users they've ever seen. In the RoC manual/novella, he's described as a sorcerer, never a fighter. Heck, even his d20 RPG stats back up this position (Sorcerer20/Fighter7/Rogue4, I believe). Basically, his biggest mistake in the final battle was going hand-to-hand in the first place.

I do, however, agree with you that there is no logical, in-story reason for him to have survived except dumb luck. Blizzard killed him off, and then brought him back to appease the whining, anime-obssessed fanboys.


I1Ladin: no. Just... no. Not only do they hate each other with gusto, not only would Kil'Jaeden devour Illidan's soul if he even suspected such a thing, but the Frozen Lord of the Damned needs no help in that area from one angsty, winged magic-junky and his personality cult.

[BornIn1142]

Well, WarDragon, I do believe he didn't mean it seriously... :y-wink3:

[darksideslayer]

I think Illidan really shouldn't have died (but, still, I think he is...). I just think someone has to stop the so-loved, undefeatable, unstoppable Arthas, and Illidan were the right one to do this. Blizzard made Arthas the reason of existence of Warcraft (he is the focus of 3 of Warcraft 3 Campaigns...) without giving him any convincing reason of being so... I'm no big, blind fan of Illidan (to tell the truth, I don't like him too...), but someone just has to stop his reasonless rule...

[darksideslayer]

I think Illidan really shouldn't have died (but, still, I think he is...). I just think someone has to stop the so-loved, undefeatable, unstoppable Arthas, and Illidan were the right one to do this. Blizzard made Arthas the reason of existence of Warcraft (he is the focus of 3 of Warcraft 3 Campaigns...) without giving him any convincing reason of being so... I'm no big, blind fan of Illidan (to tell the truth, I don't like him too...), but someone just has to stop his reasonless rule...

[Kingcrazygenius]

If Warcraft has taught us anything, it is that even the mightiest and most cunning of people end up dead. No hero or villain can stand undefeated on Azeroth. Lich King, Sylvanas, Illidan, Azshara, all will eventually face destruction at the hands of a new generation. Even Kil'jaeden might get his...someday.

[WarDragon]

Well, WarDragon, I do believe he didn't mean it seriously... :y-wink3:
It was his first post, and he had the "angry smiley" in the subject line. I have no way of knowing whether he was being stupid, or merely sarcastic.

[Silver Bullet]

Hearing? Smell?
Thanks for missing what the BLIZZARD SITE says...

These mysterious warriors ritually blind themselves so that they develop 'spectral sight' that enables them to see demons and undead with greater clarity.

-Demon Hunter.

Arthas isn't a demon, so obviously that spectral sight doesn't help him very much there.

And as for "Illidan being a mighty caster" I think the ending cinematic was supposed to be based more on the game, and seeing as he had well....Mana Burn and Immolation..that kinda screws him in the casting department (I mean how much sense would it make for Illidan to all of a sudden cast a spell no one knows what it is). Though I think the fight should've been MUCH, MUCH longer around 3-4 minutes not ten seconds, and it should've envolved Illidan using Metamorphasis.

[Weezer]

LOL the whole "OMG Arthas so cool fused with Lich King" crap....do you all overlook the fact that Illidan has the Eye of Sargeras, which is what Gul'Dan the Warlock was going after, holds enough power to destroy the Burning Legion by itself, obviously Illidan should've won the fight, but he didn't use Metamorphasis!

I'd like to think Illidan is alive, maybe they used Altar of Elders on him!

One can wish...

[WarDragon]

LOL the whole "OMG Arthas so cool fused with Lich King" crap....do you all overlook the fact that Illidan has the Eye of Sargeras, which is what Gul'Dan the Warlock was going after, holds enough power to destroy the Burning Legion by itself, obviously Illidan should've won the fight, but he didn't use Metamorphasis!

I'd like to think Illidan is alive, maybe they used Altar of Elders on him!

One can wish...
Nope. The ending cinematic of the Nelf-on-Naga-in-Dalaran mission clearly shows the Eye of Sargeras blowing up.

If the game stats are all you can understand, Illidan was out of mana, and Metamorphosis' cooldown hadn't finished yet.

We've agreed long since, based on a preponderance of the evidence, that Altars DO NOT EXIST as far as the plot is concerned; they are merely a gameplay convenience.

Finally, and for the last bloody time, we are not debating whether or not Illidan is alive. WE KNOW FOR A FACT THAT IS IS ALIVE, ON OUTLAND.

[pbot]

Yunn missed a point! Its also worth mentioning that if Illidan was stronger or equal to Arthas, the Liche King would have never sent Arthas to Kalimdor (in RoC) unless he knew that Illidan would never stand a chance again Arthas.

[Kingcrazygenius]

Though Arthas was probably stronger than Illidan, he didn't need to be. The Lich King knew just the right words to use to make Illidan steal the Skull. I don't think he counted on Illidan consuming it and becoming part demon though.

[jonirenicus666]

why did arthas tell him about it in the first place then?
It's not coincidence that illidan was locked up for messin wiv demons b4.
and to SB, it just says with greater clarity in relation to demons, it doesnt mean he cant see at all other than UD and demons.
Keeping Illidan alive would be interesting but there's plenty of other stuff around without bringing up the old Nelf/demon almost destroying the world thing again, i'm more concerned about the dark portal re-opening.

[yunn]

why did arthas tell him about it in the first place then?To get rid if Tichondrius?

[Mark Romaneck]

The Dreadlords were the ones that had to watch over the Lich King after all

so when Tycho died... the Lich King got off a great weight

[Nephalim]

And also the death of Tichondrius helped to break the power of the Burning Legion in general. Kil'jaeden told Illidan that if he hadn't stolen the Skull of Gul'dan, the Legion probably would've won, in so many words, and that was the last thing Ner'zhul wanted.

[BornIn1142]

Arthas isn't a demon, so obviously that spectral sight doesn't help him very much there.

Good work, my boy, you read most of the sentence, now finish it and I'll give you a cookie.
Now, really, how come you managed to read the demon-part, but missed everything after that?
UNDEAD is the key word. Jeez...

And just for record, Arthas may not be rotting, he is still technically 'undead'.

[Silver Bullet]

It's not coincidence that illidan was locked up for messin wiv demons b4. and to SB, it just says with greater clarity in relation to demons, it doesnt mean he cant see at all other than UD and demons.

These mysterious warriors ritually blind themselves so that they develop 'spectral sight' that enables them to see demons and undead with greater clarity.

Since the later was stated by Blizzard I'd have to believe that more, notice "Blind themselves" so that is preety clear.

[Blackfan]

to spice this conversation up a little grom hellscream would have whooped all of them easy grom is probably one of the best orc warriors in existence but he is suceptible to demonic powers

[Nephalim]

Yeah, to spice up this conversation I'll talk about something totally different and hope that everyone indulges me.

[Kingcrazygenius]

Ogrim>Grom ^_^

[jonirenicus666]

no no no no. It just says the spirit sight lets them see demons and ud with greater clarity, therefore it doesnt mean or specifically imply they are all he can se throught spectral sight. thank you and good night, sorry i didnt phrase it like that originally. arthas knew he'd need the skull of gul'dan to defeat tichondrius.

[SuRReAL OrC]

Ogrim>Grom ^_^

Yeah:

Grom: k3k3k3k3 1 p\/\/|\|z0rz j00, n00bz0rz!
Ogrim: rflmao j00 c4|\||\|4\/\/7 8337 |\/|3z0rz!
Grom: 0|\/|fg h4xX0r!
Ogrim: gg n0 re ^__________^


:toothy:

[BoneWeary Lich]

Would someone tell me more about Azzinoth?

And there are no doubts about Grom's skill. These words were on Mannoroth's lips as Grom did his thing; **** sh*t,sh*t,sh*t....

[WarDragon]

All we know about Azzinoth is that he was a Doom Guard commander in the War of the Ancients, and that Illidan killed him, ate his soul, and kept his blades.

[Kingcrazygenius]

Why stop at the soul? Demon blood is like chunky soup; if you don't eat it your mom just starts bugging you.

[yunn]

Illidan TOOK the blades from Azzinoth? I always thought he sort of... enchanted his own blades with whatever that's gotten from the slaying of Azzinoth.

[Nephalim]

No, he enchanted himself with the energies he took from Azzinoth, and blinded himself to prevent the demon's escape. The blades he wields, in fact, are called "The Blades of Azzinoth."

[WarBane]

No, he enchanted himself with the energies he took from Azzinoth, and blinded himself to prevent the demon's escape. The blades he wields, in fact, are called "The Blades of Azzinoth."
Hmm, on the topic of demon hunter's blades, I would like to know if other demon hunters actually got their blades the same way Illidan did. Got any ideas?

[Nephalim]

The hunters' warblades are taken from the demon they consume, as I understand it, yes.

[Kingcrazygenius]

I used Da'anastrasz's sister to make my warblades. Nothing cuts like sharpened dragonbones.

[kharnaxin]

As everyone SHOULD know, Illidan survived. And in a quote from the dev team

"Currently the most powerful NPC in world of warcraft is Illidan"
I'm sorry but the link to the quote doesn't work anymore.

[quetzalcoatl5]

As everyone SHOULD know, Illidan survived. And in a quote from the dev team

"Currently the most powerful NPC in world of warcraft is Illidan"
I'm sorry but the link to the quote doesn't work anymore.

That's because I imagine that you cannot encounter the Lich King or any truly powerful demons at present.

[WarDragon]

Agreed. *coughDragonAspectscough*

[Nephalim]

I was under the impression that you couldn't encounter Illidan, either.

[Grt490]

You can go to Outland, where he no doubt is. He's probably a raid boss or an Npc in a Blood Elf encampement that is so well fortified an entire server couldn't take it without having everyone involved corpse run a couple of times.

[jonirenicus666]

lol, true. looks like that little issue is solved anyway.
don't spect they'll introduce lich king/arthas etc too soon, guess we'll all find out.

[twisted orc]

Arthas = fine swordman with a demonblade with chaos dmg (:P) near of his source vs a single demon/nelf/warrior/rogue/sorcerer (3x experience). illidan is nothing more than a hopeless ugly demon (he looks like the midway of tichon/archim)
intriguing was: why no one of their used any kind of magic? and arthas showed some mercy? " go for ur house(or something) and never come back"
are arthas and illidan best friends?

[Reign of Kalos]

He wasn't showing mercy, it's called being dramatic. He did the same thing with Uther, Sylvanas, ect. It's standard bad-guy things, they're real drama queens. And "choas damage" is just a game statistic, doesn't apply to a real fight like this. We've been over this countless times, but Arthas was the better at weapons and raw fighting power, Ilidan was a sorcerer. Illidan chose to go hand to hand, and lost.

[twisted orc]

yeah, mayb u are right, but the drama in this last fight was 2 much for me .
tough, the situation wasnt the better, but he can at least finish the one who attempted, and will attemp again, kill his master, and in the deaths that u mentioned he just said about "how the quick death" he will gave 4 uther and for sylvanas was just a question of compensation, "u bothered me now u will suffer and serve me", not like "get out of here before i kill you", it doesnt look the bad arthas style.

ah, and with the mix of lick king/king arthas of lordaeron, what about the lich king arthas of lordaeron _____________:y-sealed:_____________

[Reign of Kalos]

yeah, mayb u are right, but the drama in this last fight was 2 much for me .
tough, the situation wasnt the better, but he can at least finish the one who attempted, and will attemp again, kill his master, and in the deaths that u mentioned he just said about "how the quick death" he will gave 4 uther and for sylvanas was just a question of compensation, "u bothered me now u will suffer and serve me", not like "get out of here before i kill you", it doesnt look the bad arthas style.

ah, and with the mix of lick king/king arthas of lordaeron, what about the lich king arthas of lordaeron :y-sealed:
That's because you've oversimplified the quotes from those battles. You'll find that they were all dramatic, nor was Arthas really serious about giving him that option. Illidan was so close to his goal, he wouldn't walk away for anything. Arthas knew that, unless he really was stupid. He basically told his opponen, very fancily, that he was beneath him, that he would never be a match for him. If he ever crossed Arthas' path again, he'll wipe the floor with him. Illidan just took the approach "Whatever" and fought. Arthas won.

[twisted orc]

well, i disagree about arthas. lets see if anyone will comment this.

he is the coolest hero anyway.

[Reign of Kalos]

well, i disagree about arthas. lets see if anyone will comment this.

he is the coolest hero anyway.
I fail to understand what you mean by "disagree about Arthas".You question his existence? Or that he was right to kill his own father? That he and Jaina were ever partners? Please clarify. I'm lost to what you could be meaning.

[twisted orc]

I fail to understand what you mean by "disagree about Arthas".You question his existence? Or that he was right to kill his own father? That he and Jaina were ever partners? Please clarify. I'm lost to what you could be meaning.

ahn, sry, my english is very poor, what i meant is about arthas being like sarcastic when he said the options of illidan

[Bloodbeard]

Another thing about Illidan is his ego. He was obviously still dwelling on his inability to defeat Arthas at Felwood, and coupled with his new skills, he wanted to humiliate him by defeating him in in a sword fight, showing he was greater than Arthas could ever be. Obviously he was wrong.

This isn't the only time we see Illidan's headstrong and arrogant attitude get him in trouble either. Picking a fight with Tichondrius, which forced him to absorb the Skull of Gul'dan, and being brash enough to fight Magtheridon to become the Lord of Outland, even though it would definitely get Kil'jaeden's attention. His overconfidence and arrogance is a character flaw that has definitely ran him into trouble, and probably will again.

[Magranion]

Arthas seems like an ok swordsman but if you put him up against thrall or grom he would not stand a chance as for Illidan I doubt that he has any real combat training wasnt he the head of the moonguard in the war of the ancients making him almost pure sorcerer compaired to a melee fighter.

[SummonLemming]

Thrall's mostly a caster, too, don't forget. He's a shaman. Tree hugger. Pussy. Even if they did go off on magic, Thrall would still be screwed- the newly fused Lich King is the epitome of magic and brawn.

And as for fighting Grom, I'm sure he could handle an inanimate rotting corpse.

EDIT: And I spit on your face for necroing a thread.

[Kingcrazygenius]

Why don't you go read Lord of the Clans, and then think about what you said about Thrall you hideously ignorant little boy.

[Reign of Kalos]

Don't diss Thrall's fighting skills. He was a gladiator, fighting for his life in an areana, he has considerable fighting skills, as much a warrior than a shaman, don't go by the crappy warcraft 3 shaman stats they gave him to conform to a hero type, he's a decent warrior, capable and knowledgable. One of the better warriors I'd dare go as far to call him. Definently a fighter as well as a shaman.

[Romanov77]

Most probably, Thrall is much more Warrior than Caster...

[Darktyl]

Hell yeah, Thrall isn't some pushover. Hell, he actually beat Ogrim.

[Mark Romaneck]

man those are the reasons I would like to play War II...I mean everyone says Thrall is a quickass fighter but in War III...well it doesnt show

[Reign of Kalos]

But Thrall wasn't in warcraft II.....

[WarDragon]

I'd say Thrall's about an even split between fighter and caster; despite which, he's among the best in the world at either.

Mark, if you want to see Thrall's combat prowess, read Lord of the Clans.

[Kingcrazygenius]

Though mystical might seems to often overwhelm even the greatest of physical might. Then again if you don't give the caster the number of seconds he needs to cast the spell then he's screwed.

[Murloc_Lover]

I apologize if this is considered a semi thread revival.

But arthas is not undead. He never died.

Chris metzen said it somewhere...*sigh* gimme a few days. ill find metzens quote saying arthas isnt undead.

[Kingcrazygenius]

True enough. Ner'zhul wanted a healthy living body, not some loser corpse. However being as Arthas is 'soulless' and his powers granted by an undead entity such a confusion is warrented.

Of course even this is a moot point; Arthas and Ner'zhul as we know them no longer exist.

[Trotsky]

Illidan is as good as dead.

[Tranquility]

Sorry to revive a pretty old thread. I just registered and was browsing through the topics. I had a small question which sort of puzzled me. We all know that Nerz'hul wanted to destroy Tichondrius to help undermine the Burning Legion. But why didn't Nerz'hul have Arthas himself consume the Skull of Gul'dan and killing off Tichondrius, instead of having Illidan do the dirty work and having his powers grow out of hand eventually?

[Kingcrazygenius]

To be frank, that was one of Ner'zhul's foulups. They got Illidan to do it because if Tichondrius saw Arthas trying to steal the skull they would know right then of the trechery and would probably have pulled off some kind of failsafe destruction thing to 'kill' Ner'zhul.

But I don't think even Ner'zhul counted on Illidan destroying the skull and siphoning the power, let alone that all that warlock energy would cause such a startling transformation.

[deadhand13]

To be frank, that was one of Ner'zhul's foulups. They got Illidan to do it because if Tichondrius saw Arthas trying to steal the skull they would know right then of the trechery and would probably have pulled off some kind of failsafe destruction thing to 'kill' Ner'zhul.

Contradicting yourself isn't a good thing :y-square: . And someone explain to me why Illidan couldn't transform before, I know he didn't have any chance to practice, but if that is the case he might as well have started with none of his spells back. Lastly, never dought the melee power of an orc, wether they are a spellcaster or a warrior, and who's to say that a shaman is anything like hippy? Shamans could kick hippy ass anyday! :y-thumbsu

[yunn]

deadhand13: I don't understand what you are saying. I don't see the contradiction, and I don't understand the part about the hippy and the orc.

[Tranquility]

To be frank, that was one of Ner'zhul's foulups. They got Illidan to do it because if Tichondrius saw Arthas trying to steal the skull they would know right then of the trechery and would probably have pulled off some kind of failsafe destruction thing to 'kill' Ner'zhul.

See that's the problem. I don't think the Legion DID have any surefire way to kill off Nerz'hul, otherwise Kil'jaeden would have used it instead of sending Illidan. The dreadlords policed the Lich King before the Legion's arrival, and after that concentrated on defeating the Legion's opposition rather than keeping an eye on Nerz'hul. Part of this neglect was thanks to Archimonde. As soon as Kel'thuzad finished summoning him, he said that he had no need for the Lich King anymore, and that the dreadlords led by Tichondrius were to command the Scourge. Sounds like a bit of arrogance/overconfidence, which led to his eventual defeat at the World Tree.

[jonirenicus666]

Maybe the demonic energies of the skull were incompatable with that of frostmourne... maybe Ner'Zhul feared he might lose some of his hold over his most trusted lieutenant.
More to the point, Ner 'Zhul couldnt reveal his conspiring untill he brought down the legion.
Beside arthas could probably have owned tich. what with the power of the lich king and all, even b4 they became 1.
umm, smeh...
as to the latter stuff. Archi and the legion could prob have beaten the UD, after all the lich king was still stuck in ice, despite all his power.
the point of the UD is they were Grunts for the legion, the legion were like the "elite".
Kil'jaedon could probably beat the lich king too..... maybe he cant get there though..... like before.... dunno, my warcraft lore is pretty sketchy.

[Mymla]

well omg?!? I don't think Illidan died. Ok, he got hit by arthas' sword, but that was ONE slice. In the stomach. And he got a half army to aid him (included kael and vashj) And in starcraft, Fenix got killed (original starcraft) and was resurrected (eh?) to a dragoon, I don't remember how tough... and anyway... what did kael and vashj do (when?) they realise that Illidan is dead?? stay in northrend? don't think so. Go to Kalimdor? hm...? go to Azeroth or Lordaeron? yes...? h*** I know but I don't think Illidan is dead. If blizzard say that public i'll probably cry ;)

[Kingcrazygenius]

Did you not even read the thread? Illidan is not dead. We've said it over and over and over. He is in Outland being his blind half-demon compassionate-yet-selfishly villanous self.

[Reign of Kalos]

For the last time it's been confimed! He's not dead! The RPG books clearly stated this.

Learn to read the whole topic before blurting out.

[Mymla]

right. I haven't read every single post in the thread. you say he's in outland... and how did he get there? did he sail to dalaran and took kel'thuzad's portal... or did he open a own like he did after saving tyrande?

[Kingcrazygenius]

right. I haven't read every single post in the thread. you say he's in outland... and how did he get there? did he sail to dalaran and took kel'thuzad's portal... or did he open a own like he did after saving tyrande?

When he was ordered to finish off the Lich King by Kil'jaeden he opened a portal directly to Northrend. After he was defeated Kael and Vashj dragged him back through that portal and then he was nursed back to health.

[Mymla]

ok thx :) where did you read that?

[Kingcrazygenius]

ok thx :) where did you read that?

Somewhere on this forum. It's in an RPG book that's all I know.

[Reign of Kalos]

Illidan couldn't really use the portal in Dalaran. There's a human army in there. Getting an naga/blood elf army not just through there once, but twice on the way back to Outland, is a little mad. Not to mention it takes months to cross that sea, and that a fleet of boats takes a long time to build if you aren't going to magically find them.

[Mymla]

come on, kalos!! don't be so realistic :) btw I wasn't too serious about dalaran...

[CanadianGuy]

Maybe the Lich King isn't finished with Illidan? Think about it, Illidan is regected by almost everyone(exept His brother and Turanda), including the demons now that he pissed off Kiljaden. So he has nowhere to call home exept for the outland, a god-forsaken place with no peace, and if Arthas purswaded him so easily before, whats to stop him from doing it again?

[Kingcrazygenius]

Maybe the Lich King isn't finished with Illidan? Think about it, Illidan is regected by almost everyone(exept His brother and Turanda), including the demons now that he pissed off Kiljaden. So he has nowhere to call home exept for the outland, a god-forsaken place with no peace, and if Arthas purswaded him so easily before, whats to stop him from doing it again?

Kil'jaeden is certainly pissed, but Illidan continues to be his most powerful minion outside the twisting nether. And no one really cares about the roaming demons of outland, they are but fuel for the Blood Elves.

The Lich King is mighty, but he's not nearly stupid enough to try to take on all of Outland, especially since he'd have to go through the twisting nether to get to it, and thus wander directly into Kil'jaeden's hands.

[lordshadowbane]

Furion and Tyrande are at peace with Illidan but won't easily accept him.

[Mymla]

Furion and Tyrande are at peace with Illidan but won't easily accept him.
don't they...? he "has paid for his crimes" (or someting like it) as Tyrande said... doesn't that mean that they should accept him if he came to Kalimdor and wanted to come home to rest or someting?

[Zero the One]

Malfurion kicked him back out after attempting to kill Maiev, who was STILL hunting him, during his little excursion with saving Tyrande and all, so he can't return to Kalimdor anymore.

[Kingcrazygenius]

I don't recall Malfurion saying anything about Illidan not being allowed to come back again.

Besides, most of that campaign didn't even take place in Kalimdor.

[lordshadowbane]

He just merely let him get away for his rescue of Tyrande...

[Mymla]

He just merely let him get away for his rescue of Tyrande...
"but should you ever threaten my people again..." I really don't think he's any cross with the Night elves heh, he's like half a night elf himself (after consuming the skull) I don't think furion would say anyting if Illidan came home...

[Nephalim]

I do. He's betrayed the night elves a few too many times. He simply can't be trusted, and Furion would be putting his people in a potentially dangerous situation for primarily sentimental reasons.

[Mymla]

I do. He's betrayed the night elves a few too many times..

Ehh?!? when did he last betray the night elves?? perhaps he's made a few things the night elf's leaders didn't like, but "from this day forward, let there be peace between us" and then Tyrande: "Illidan has paid for his crimes! he's no longer a threat to us!"

[Kingcrazygenius]

Ehh?!? when did he last betray the night elves?? perhaps he's made a few things the night elf's leaders didn't like, but "from now day, let there be peace between us" and then Tyrande: "Illidan has paid for his crimes! he's no longer a threat to us!"

Your ignorance is refreshing. Let us begin at the beginning.

During the War of the Ancients, Illidan realized that Furion planned to destroy the Well of Eternity. This would mean Illidan would no longer be able to practice the magics he had grown fond of and is rather addicted to. So he betrayed the entire resistance by informing Azshara of their plans.

Next he gathered several special vials and filled them with the waters of the Well of Eternity, so that he may always have the magic with him incase the original is destroyed. After the War he used a few of these vials on the lake atop Mount Hyjal, creating the second Well and also giving the demons another chance at getting back into the world. For these crimes he was locked away in the Barrow Dens, a group of Night Elves called the Watchers, led by Maiev Shadowsong and the Califax (I think it was) to keep him there forever.

10,000 years later Tyrande, driven by her sence of independance and injured pride, slays many of the Watchers and frees Illidan. As he promised, Illidan helps defeat the demons via killing Tichondrius, but does so via absorbing a great deal of demonic power from the Skull of Gul'dan. He is thusly banished from Kalimdor. He is soon contacted by Kil'jaeden himself, who promises to feed Illidan's addiction in exchange for loyalty and the destruction of the Lich King. To meet these ends he calls upon the Naga, and a group of them led by Lady Vashj rise to greet him. With the help of these Naga Illidan intends to steal the Eye of Sargaras and use it to destroy Ice Crown Glacier. However his former jailor Maiev is after him, and with the help of Furion eventually corners Illidan. Illidan is spared though when he helps save Tyrande, and is allowed to escape.

[Mymla]

I knew all that except that well stuff... and I really don't know why furion was so upset about Illidan consuming the skull of gul'dan... I mean, it's Illidan's life, and he did that to cure the woods of the demonic corruption

[Reign of Kalos]

He had given into his addiction yet again by taking up the skull. You heard his reasoning. It wasn't because he wanted to defeat the demons that he took up the skull, but to gain more power for himself. The arcane addiction shows through once again, and Illidan tampers with yet more magic. This is what Furion is outraged about.

[Mymla]

Ok ok that may be right... but I still don't think furion would greet Illidan with "YOU DAMNED POWER-GREEDY BASTARD!! BEGONE BEFORE I LOCK YOU UP AGAIN!!" nah...? or...?

[rudynoname]

yea actualy thats how he probably would react. Furion let Illidan go on a whim. kinda like "dude get outta here quick before i change my mind." theres no way Illidan is welcome or would even be accepted amonjg the night elves. they would kill him on sight and furion and tyrandde would likely allow it to happen.

[Kingcrazygenius]

Well he didn't say that now did he?

Furion: Foul demon! What have you done with my brother?

Illidan: It is I, Furion. This is what I’ve become.

Tyrande: No! Illidan, how could you?

Illidan: The leader of the undead has been destroyed, and the forests will heal in time.

Furion: At the cost of your soul? You are no brother of mine! Begone from this place, and never set foot in our lands again!

Illidan: So be it… brother.

Illidan's is a destiny of flame and sorrow.

[Mymla]

Ok you are right... *streches up my arms, I give up* ;)

[adnanaddo]

http://www.petitiononline.com/iiiidan/petition.html

[sysfox]

i guess we'll just have to wait and see...:y-square:

anyway i hope some custom campaing maker reads this and fells inspired on making one based on this


(lol a petition for ilidan to live...might as well go get my wow priest to ressurect him XD)

[Virus_X]

Illidan - aka - The Betrayer - aka - Lord of Outland is DEAD.
Now deal with it. :g happy:

[ http://www.wowwiki.com/Illidan ]