Story for campaign

[UhIdontknow]

I'm planning on making a campaign, and I have a story I made up for it, this is just a basic version, but it would take too long to type out the more complicated version. Anyway, tell me what you think:

The Old Gods, that ruled Azeroth before the Titans came, were all evil and randomly destructive, except for the god of Earth, soil, and stone, Gargus. Gargus was the original god of the Night Elves and Trolls, and he taught them civilization and protected them from his evil siblings. However, when the Titans came, they banished him, along with the other Old Gods, to a prison deep beneath the earth. This story takes place shortly after the end of the Frozen Throne Campaign, and an Eredar Witch, who is 10 times as powerful as Archimonde, is going to invade Azeroth with an army twice as big as Archimonde's army. The only way to stop her is to release Gargus from his prison. This must be done by two heroes, a Night Elf Arch Druid (a new custom hero for the campaign) and a Troll Shadow Hunter. They both still follow and worship Gargus, even though their brethren have abandoned him.

[Mark Romaneck]

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

its a custom campaing so why not?

[KaySeaGee]

First: Night Elves, trolls, and all other forms of organic life didn't appear until way after the Old Gods were chained up.

Second: A good Old God? Had one of them been good the Titans would have noticed.

Third: 10 times more powerful than Archimonde with an army twice the size? That is rediculous and non-sensical. Among the Eredar no one was superior to Archimonde and Kil'jaeden, NO ONE. Also any and all demons of the Twisting Nether are the property of the Burning Legion, and by default all are controlled by Kil'jaeden, the only living lord of the legion left.

[UhIdontknow]

First: Night Elves, trolls, and all other forms of organic life didn't appear until way after the Old Gods were chained up.

Second: A good Old God? Had one of them been good the Titans would have noticed.

Third: 10 times more powerful than Archimonde with an army twice the size? That is rediculous and non-sensical. Among the Eredar no one was superior to Archimonde and Kil'jaeden, NO ONE. Also any and all demons of the Twisting Nether are the property of the Burning Legion, and by default all are controlled by Kil'jaeden, the only living lord of the legion left.


Well, I thought of some of this stuff, but to make my story work, I figure that I might use the 'alternate universe' explanation, which means that my story takes place in the Warcraft universe, but there are a few things different.

Also, the rationale for the Titans to banish him is twofold:

One: They didn't want to take a chance that he would turn bad after they left
Two: They wanted to punish him because he killed one of them in battle.

Also, the Legion thing is kind of complicated to explain, but here it goes:
I don't think it ever said that Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden were the two most powerful Eredar, just that Sargeras chose them for his Lieutenants. (If I'm wrong, I'm going back to the alternate universe theory). The Demon Witch was actually stronger than them, but Sargeras didn't choose her because she wasn't loyal. When he died, she tried to take over, but 90% of the legion allied with AM and KJ, so she was defeated. The same thing happened after Archimonde died. Her army is twice the size of Archimonde's, but still small compared to the whole of the legion, which is loyal mostly to KJ. She figures if she can succeed where Archimonde failed, she can win the loyalty of the rest of the demons and overthrow KJ.

[KaySeaGee]

Now I ask you, why would Sargaras chose those who weren't the strongest for his Lieutenants? And any demon that didn't pledge their loyalty to Sargaras would have been killed. There is no way a being more powerful than Archimonde, Kil'jaeden, or Sargaras could exist in the Twisting Nether. To accomplish that you'd need a whole lot of alternate reality stuff going on.

[UhIdontknow]

Now I ask you, why would Sargaras chose those who weren't the strongest for his Lieutenants? And any demon that didn't pledge their loyalty to Sargaras would have been killed. There is no way a being more powerful than Archimonde, Kil'jaeden, or Sargaras could exist in the Twisting Nether. To accomplish that you'd need a whole lot of alternate reality stuff going on.

Well, she was often trying to betray her superiors, but she was so powerful and skilled in magic that Sargeras figured that he would get more of a benefit from keeping her alive than killing her, as long as he never gave her too much of an army.

[KaySeaGee]

If she wasn't willing to follow orders to the letter than Sargaras would kill her. No two ways around it. Having the most powerful weapon in the world is no good if it is going to backfire on you or simply won't work.

[WarDragon]

If not the booklet that comes with the game, the RPG book Manual of Monsters specifically states that Archimonde and Kil'Jaedan were the most powerful Eredar, even before Sargeras gave them a portion of his own might. Also, it's pretty clearly implied that any given Titan was more than a match for any given Old God one on one.

It's alright if you want to speculate on the aftermath of official events, or explore things that canon doesn't touch on. But rearranging the WarCraft univers to fit your own "kewl" (shudder) ideas is just going to make folks who know the story mad. Besides, I get the feeling you just made up that "alternate universe" line on the spot when KCG pointed out the flaws in your plot.

[UhIdontknow]

If she wasn't willing to follow orders to the letter than Sargaras would kill her. No two ways around it. Having the most powerful weapon in the world is no good if it is going to backfire on you or simply won't work.


Forget what I said, I changed the story. Although I'll have to think up a more detailed description.

[UhIdontknow]

If not the booklet that comes with the game, the RPG book Manual of Monsters specifically states that Archimonde and Kil'Jaedan were the most powerful Eredar, even before Sargeras gave them a portion of his own might. Also, it's pretty clearly implied that any given Titan was more than a match for any given Old God one on one.

It's alright if you want to speculate on the aftermath of official events, or explore things that canon doesn't touch on. But rearranging the WarCraft univers to fit your own "kewl" (shudder) ideas is just going to make folks who know the story mad. Besides, I get the feeling you just made up that "alternate universe" line on the spot when KCG pointed out the flaws in your plot.

No, I've seen it used before, and I was thinking about it already. Well, maybe I'll change the story so she was just a normal witch until she gained some kind of power from a demonic artifact, or something....

Yeah, I think that'll work. Disregard what I previously said about her.

Also, The Titan Gargus killed was the weakest one, and he only finished it off, it had already been weakened in the battle.

[KaySeaGee]

Sargaras is a god. He managed to lock up all the demons of the nether before, and if he wanted to he could kill them all. If there was a powerful demon that didn't obey, she'd die. And he wouldn't care if half the legion died, because it would be the stronger half that lived, and there are so many of them that all the demons that appeared on Azeroth and Outland in RoC and tFT were not even the tiniest fraction of the numbers of the Burning Legion.

[UhIdontknow]

Okay, the new modification to the story:

She was a mid - level Eredar Witch, until shortly after the death of Archimonde. Then, as she was participating in an attack on a new planet, she came upon a pulsing source of demonic power. Knowing the Legion would be interested, she attempted to take it, but it tranformed her, increasing her powers to an incredible amount. When she returned, many of the Legion's demons changed their alliance to her, although most of them still followed KJ. She challenged KJ for control of the Legion, but even though she was stronger than him, his army was much larger, so her attack was beaten back and they were at a stalemate. Then she decided to invade Azeroth to get the support of the rest of the legion.

[UhIdontknow]

Also, I'm wondering if anything is known about the origin of Cenarius and Elune, because if not, then I was thinking of making them Gargus' grandchildren.

[KaySeaGee]

Why do you insist on making your witch stronger than Kil'jaeden? And what makes you so certain that female Eredar even exist?

[UhIdontknow]

Why do you insist on making your witch stronger than Kil'jaeden? And what makes you so certain that female Eredar even exist?

Because I want her to be so strong that there's no way to defeat her except for freeing Gargus. Also, who says they don't exist?

[KaySeaGee]

It took the destruction of the World Tree to kill Archimonde. Your witch need not be half as powerful as he is to be too much to handle.

And show me evidence of male and female demons of any species.

[UhIdontknow]

It took the destruction of the World Tree to kill Archimonde. Your witch need not be half as powerful as he is to be too much to handle.

And show me evidence of male and female demons of any species.

The World Tree regenerated, though.

Also, there are the Mistresses of Pain, Vile Tormentors, and Succubesses, which are female demons.

I just want to give a feeling of complete helpnessness and terror when facing her and her army. The heroes will be faced with an all - but unbeatable foe, with only one slim hope of victory.

[Kingcrazygenius]

The world tree did not regenerate. At this time only its roots are regrowing. It will be hundreds of years before it comes back, if at all.

Succubi are one group of demons, and there appear to be no males of that species. I said male and female, not just female.

And what makes you think you need to be ten times stronger than quite possibly the strongest demon to ever live? I mean honestly! Just slap on a bunch of base damage and divine armor.

[yunn]

UhIdontknow: Firstly, you should have thought of a better name...

OK, I just wanted to say that these guys pointing out the flaws in your story are pretty good at lore, and it might seem like they're flaming you or something. But they have no bad intentions, just giving you concise and straight-to-the-point facts. We appreciate the fact that instead of like some n00bs who flame back at people's feedback, you change your story so that it fits.

Advice: It's easier to make campaigns (without being yelled at by lore jukies like us) that revolve around events that:
a) have not been discussed in detail throughout the Azeroth history.
b) does not involve killing off MAJOR plot characters e.g. Illidan, Furion, Arthas
c) does not involve WORLD CHANGING events e.g. extinction of an entire race, god battles
d) even easier is to make campaigns NOT related about Azeroth, nobody can argue then... but however u gotta pull a Tolkien and create a world.

Gender of demons: "Who says they don't exist?", and "Show me evidence of male and female demons of any species". EXACTLY! Both of you don't know. There are no female goblins before WoW, and we at some point have even discussed them being hermaphodites... hahaha

[Kingcrazygenius]

But I do know that they don't exist, and if they do happen to exist then I will know that they do.

[yunn]

well... uhh... I don't know...

hence UhIdontknow :lol:

[UhIdontknow]

UhIdontknow: Firstly, you should have thought of a better name...

OK, I just wanted to say that these guys pointing out the flaws in your story are pretty good at lore, and it might seem like they're flaming you or something. But they have no bad intentions, just giving you concise and straight-to-the-point facts. We appreciate the fact that instead of like some n00bs who flame back at people's feedback, you change your story so that it fits. Well, yeah, thier imput has helped me revise a few things about my story.
Advice: It's easier to make campaigns (without being yelled at by lore jukies like us) that revolve around events that:
a) have not been discussed in detail throughout the Azeroth history. Well, I don't think the Old Gods have been discussed that much, I've only read 1 or 2 pages of info on them.b) does not involve killing off MAJOR plot characters e.g. Illidan, Furion, Arthas This isn't going to happen in my campaign. Actually, if any main characters show up, they'll probably be only short roles in cinematics, or appear on a map once or twice.
c) does not involve WORLD CHANGING events e.g. extinction of an entire race, god battles Well, no races will be killed, but there will be a god battle. However, it won't really affect anything major.
d) even easier is to make campaigns NOT related about Azeroth, nobody can argue then... but however u gotta pull a Tolkien and create a world. I've done that before, but for my first campaign, I wanted to make an Azeroth one.
Gender of demons: "Who says they don't exist?", and "Show me evidence of male and female demons of any species". EXACTLY! Both of you don't know. There are no female goblins before WoW, and we at some point have even discussed them being hermaphodites... hahaha

So I can make a female Eredar if I want, since nobody's sure if they exist or not.

[Kingcrazygenius]

Sure, but they all look male or androgenous. You'd have better luck with a Succubus Queen.