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Nio the Namless

08-10-04, 06:12 AM

This is what Christianity thinks of the world.

Amusing.
I am not sure if that would be accurate though I know you focus this on people of similar mind-set

anyway I find it rather amusing/annoying. I find there opinions amusing but find it annoying that I am technically assosiated with them. I find there concern with games using "black magic" or other such things to be rather annoying. Its called a game...

then there was this review http://www.almenconi.com/topics/games/pokemon.html

how in all that is right and good can you call pokemon evil?

A-Thousand-Lies

08-10-04, 06:25 AM

I am not sure if that would be accurate though I know you focus this on people of similar mind-set

anyway I find it rather amusing/annoying. I find there opinions amusing but find it annoying that I am technically assosiated with them. I find there concern with games using "black magic" or other such things to be rather annoying. Its called a game...

then there was this review http://www.almenconi.com/topics/games/pokemon.html

how in all that is right and good can you call pokemon evil?

I've been reading the website over the past two hours. Nio, I certainly hope for your sake that your beliefs are not as strong as the opinions the president of this zealot group is shoving down the throats of readers, as it would seem creativity is almost discouraged, in terms of the gaming industry.

It truly disgusts me to see what this man has to say. Every single thing is seen as wrong, and if you like any aspect of modern society it seems like you're on your way to Hell.

What upset me most was the fact that the review of The Sims - Bustin' Out had its rating lowered due to the fact that homosexuality was seen as perfectly fine.

I am seriously gonna e-mail this guy and complain.

TechnoHamster

08-10-04, 06:47 AM

If thats a joke its not funny at all. Or even socially clever like that site about the secrets of getting black people to like you.

Nio the Namless

08-10-04, 06:49 AM

I've been reading the website over the past two hours. Nio, I certainly hope for your sake that your beliefs are not as strong as the opinions the president of this zealot group is shoving down the throats of readers, as it would seem creativity is almost discouraged, in terms of the gaming industry.

It truly disgusts me to see what this man has to say. Every single thing is seen as wrong, and if you like any aspect of modern society it seems like you're on your way to Hell.

What upset me most was the fact that the review of The Sims - Bustin' Out had its rating lowered due to the fact that homosexuality was seen as perfectly fine.

I am seriously gonna e-mail this guy and complain.
I agree with you. Especially after reading a few of the reviews..

People like this give there religions a bad name

lordshadowbane

08-10-04, 07:04 AM

These ppl are just WAY to strict. The point of a game is to entertain not teach children to be evil and w/e. I strongly doubt children that play WCIII will start practicing magic and start killing each other with swords.

A-Thousand-Lies

08-10-04, 08:00 AM

On the game reviews, they downgrade it for having super-natural/occult references, or just other gods. How politically correct can you get? People are so narrow-minded that it's scary.

lordshadowbane

08-10-04, 08:09 AM

Although I do have to agree with a few of their points. I dont think WCIII is very...good. They could lose the slut-wear clothing for the archers, hipp archers, and sorcs, cussing, and immense amounts of blood. But then again this is why its rated T not E.

Kingcrazygenius

08-10-04, 08:13 AM

SaroDarksbane

08-10-04, 09:55 AM

As a Christian myself, I find this site amusing and scary.

Sometimes you just have to shake your head at the crazies in this world . . .

KrewL RaiN

08-10-04, 10:10 AM

Let us also pray for spiritual direction for all the programmers, designers, and marketers of video games to be led by the Holy Spirit, instead of the spirit of darkness.

Uh Oh..........here comes Bible Blaster (off the simpsons lol), Sim Chirch and Bible adventures RPG.....

lordshadowbane

08-10-04, 10:17 AM

I am also a christian and this really scares me too. I think these ppl are trying to act like this was 300 yrs ago when ppl believed in witchcraft and stuff. This is the future and they have to be a little tolerant. Though they dont have to do what the ppl in now do they have to show a little tolerance.

GreatDarkKnight

08-10-04, 10:19 AM

I've been reading the website over the past two hours. Nio, I certainly hope for your sake that your beliefs are not as strong as the opinions the president of this zealot group is shoving down the throats of readers, as it would seem creativity is almost discouraged, in terms of the gaming industry.

It truly disgusts me to see what this man has to say. Every single thing is seen as wrong, and if you like any aspect of modern society it seems like you're on your way to Hell.

What upset me most was the fact that the review of The Sims - Bustin' Out had its rating lowered due to the fact that homosexuality was seen as perfectly fine.

I am seriously gonna e-mail this guy and complain.

It looks like 500 or so people beat you to it. http://www.almenconi.com/topics/parent/game_reviews.html

SaroDarksbane

08-10-04, 10:24 AM

Hahahahah, I love this:
6. EVERY mass murderer in the past five years under the age of 21 was deeply involved with playing first person shooter games – including the recent DC sniper! EVERY ONE! I’m not saying that playing these games made them kill, but the evidence shows that there may be a direct relationship.
I'll make my own:

6. EVERY mass murderer in the past five years under the age of 21 had eaten fast food at some point in their lives - including the recent DC sniper. EVERY ONE! I'm not saying that eating fast food made them kill, but the evidence clearly shows that there may be a direct relationship.

Woo, fun can be had by all when correlation equals causation!

TechnoHamster

08-10-04, 10:31 AM

18. Since we believe the Bible, we know that there are only two spiritual entities: the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ and evil spirits....life only gives you two choices. Either you are worshipping the God of All or you are worshipping the god of this age (Satan). In reality you only have one choice. If you don’t chose to follow Jesus Christ, that in itself is the choice to follow Satan. How cute. Its times like these that I think about all the things I have to live for and get a warm smooshy feeling from knowing that people really do care.

Dragolas77

08-10-04, 10:37 AM

Lol, the highest one i've seen is civ 3 with 93%... lmfao, i can't believe people like this actually ENCOURAGE other people, who buys a video game with religion in mind anyways!?!?!!?

lordshadowbane

08-10-04, 10:39 AM

Mario Kart doubledash is the highest with a 98%. Lost two points cuz of violence. Ne ways there rating is just guidance. But in my opinion I think they should leave the ratings to ESRB.

lordshadowbane

08-10-04, 10:58 AM

WTF??? I understand Christians gettin all fussy about swearing but Rock. WTF??? My teacher is the most dedicated christian I know she even refers to God in her lessons sometimes (even though their not supposed to) and she listens to christian rock. These ppl are just......scary.

SaroDarksbane

08-10-04, 12:38 PM

Wow. I may be christian, but this is the most extremist example of christians ive seen

http://www.almenconi.com/media/may04/052504.html
^^ Hilarious :-D
Well, he does have a point in there I agree with. If the concerts for the "Christian" band are no different from the concerts for a non-Christian band, can you call the music Christian?

BraveLiver

08-10-04, 12:49 PM

[QUOTE=lordshadowbane]They could lose the slut-wear clothing for the archers, hipp archers, and sorcsQUOTE]

But then noone would play NE anymore. lol

Anywho, that site is really crazy. Check this out! http://www.almenconi.com/topics/games/commandandconquergenerals.html

Look at conclusion. Why would anyone want a game where the focus was gathering resources? That's what makes strat games boring in the beginning!

lordshadowbane

08-10-04, 01:01 PM

I find it odd that this person named the whole website after him. It's like he's takin the credit not his religion.
And Braveliver it says why it doesnt have making peace. WHAT KIND OF GAME WOULD THAT BE. IT WOULD BE LIKE A MARIO KART WITH NO WEAPONS A FIGHTING GAME WITH NO FIGHTING.
A game is like a book. There has to be some sort of conflict to make the book interesting. Same with the game. There has to be some competition or battle. Otherwise its not a game!!!!

Slay

08-10-04, 01:05 PM

You call those guys christian zealots? You should check out the guys over here (http://www.k-k-k.com).
-Slay

SuRReAL OrC

08-10-04, 01:12 PM

Ahhh! 73h KKK!!! OMFG! i newz0rz i $h0ud|nt h4v3 c|ick3d 73h |inkz0rz!!!

lordshadowbane

08-10-04, 01:19 PM

Omg slay....wtf was that for??? IM COLORED.

Dragolas77

08-10-04, 01:21 PM

I was wondering WTF he did that for, anyways... yeah lord shadowbane is a demon hunter

Purple skinned... no racist comment meant, i just needed to say that you silly purple elf...

lordshadowbane

08-10-04, 01:26 PM

Well ur red....

Dragolas77

08-10-04, 01:28 PM

*sniffs*

I didn't mean it personally!

*cries*

Oh wait... Red dragons are the strongest and most intelligent of all the dragons, according to DnD...

:sinister:

Raistlin Majere

08-10-04, 01:29 PM

On the game reviews, they downgrade it for having super-natural/occult references, or just other gods. How politically correct can you get? People are so narrow-minded that it's scary.

hehe, reminds me of a part of the Final Fantasy X review:

Children won't learn how to use real occult spells playing this game

WTF?! real spells?

Most devient.... :y-sneaky:

as stated earlier, if the general population acted as it did 300 years ago, most of everyone here would have been burned at the stake.

I cannot wait for them to review the Book of Vile Darkness..... :y-evil: :y-wink3:

Oh wait... Red dragons are the strongest and most intelligent of all the dragons, according to DnD... of the chromatic dragons yes, but the Golds are wiser, less impulsive, considered scholars, and more open-minded.

Dragolas77

08-10-04, 01:32 PM

Or pico's school from newgrounds... :D

That site is crazy, rating starcraft saying

Just a small spot of blood when something dies

SMALL???

And warcraft is an F for using magic, and finally

Never winter nights and diablo are F-s...

In the words of ricky from trailer park boys...

F*ck them...

The Cosmic Fool

08-10-04, 01:39 PM

*laughs* Oh those Christians. Living in their little fantasy world.

Check this (http://www.leftbehind.com/) out. That scares me.

lordshadowbane

08-10-04, 01:39 PM

Wow the definition of fantasy is not real. NOT REAL. So if they have witchcraft or magic it may be real but its in the fantasy realm. A different dimenstion. Fantasy and real life. All the fiction stuff in stories is in the fantasy realm. The NOT REAL realm where ppl make stories to entertain other ppl. Thank god they didnt say Harry Potter was bad. NE ways Dragolas Im purple which means I can shadowmeld. And I can burst into flames and shoot grren lightning bolts and have an uncanny ability to dodge attacks. And I can become somethin that can easily destroy a dragon.... :y-sneaky: ...

ANd dont diss the christians. Im one too Im just not as... "into" it as them.

Dragolas77

08-10-04, 01:43 PM

Ah, but i'm a half dragon, a half dragon paladin... so, to sum it all up...

Dragon > purple elvses, pwnt

Paladin > demon, pwnt again

I hate being inbetween though, neutral is for wussies...

Kingcrazygenius

08-10-04, 01:43 PM

I eat an adult dragon every week. And I reguarly give sexual favors to goddesses.

Pwn't.

The Cosmic Fool

08-10-04, 01:45 PM

*laughs* I imagine someone started up a KKK especially designed for night elves and dragons. Hey, we have a racist group for every other colour...why not red and purple?

Dragolas77

08-10-04, 01:45 PM

Well of COURSE kcg could pwn me... i'm talking about lesser evil things...

Red and purple KKK? It's been done by the redneck racists in my town...

The Cosmic Fool

08-10-04, 01:50 PM

o_0 Seriously? Haha. Ok, I'm standing behind my thoughs here...Stupid people shouldn't breed.

I'm going with a new idea! Start lynching rich, white men. I don't think anyone would object.

Kingcrazygenius

08-10-04, 01:56 PM

All the women who want a rich husband would.

And about not letting stupid people breed; who are we going to let decide who is stupid enough to not be allowed to have children? You?

The Cosmic Fool

08-10-04, 02:04 PM

Over 2,000 years of racism and bigotry have proven that. It just seems to be that ignorant, racist people shouldn't raise their children like that. It's sick.

a thing

08-10-04, 02:21 PM

90-100% (A) These games are free of virtually all violence, language, sexual, and occult content or material. They also contain Biblical material and/or educational material.
Example: Civilization III

Thats. just. sick.

Dragolas77

08-10-04, 02:23 PM

Whats worse is i LIKED civ 3, now they are making it educational? f*ck that then, i'm going to play some mindless, bloody doom 2...

The Cosmic Fool

08-10-04, 02:25 PM

I'd like to see a review of Doom 3. Man, that would be priceless.

Dragolas77

08-10-04, 02:27 PM

The feeling i got when i played doom for the first time was priceless...

Oh wait, i was four when i did, and i was at a friend's house...

lordshadowbane

08-10-04, 02:29 PM

Educational? Since when were educational games worth marketing/reviewing...
Thats just scary... An educational game....

Slay

08-10-04, 02:40 PM

Whats worse is i LIKED civ 3, now they are making it educational? f*ck that then, i'm going to play some mindless, bloody doom 2...

Civilization games have always been educational. If you go to the Great Library you can see the historical impact of the units as well as the gameplay impact of the units.

Thats. just. sick.

Heaven forbid a Christian site would approve of biblical material in the games they rate!
-Slay

SuRReAL OrC

08-10-04, 05:26 PM

My god..........is that site serious?!

Slay

08-10-04, 05:38 PM

Yes, it it. And it gives a nice, interesting perspective change for once.
-Slay

SuRReAL OrC

08-10-04, 05:40 PM

One word. Moooooooohahahahahahahaaaahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaahhahah ahaha!!!

I'm sorry, but, BWAHAHAHAHAHA! :lol:

Slay

08-10-04, 05:44 PM

One word. Moooooooohahahahahahahaaaahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaahhahah ahaha!!!

I'm sorry, but, BWAHAHAHAHAHA! :lol:

HAHAHAHAHA OTHER PEOPLE'S VALUES ARE DIFFERENT FROM YOURS HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ITS SO FUNNY!
-Slay

Kingcrazygenius

08-10-04, 05:56 PM

Unlike you Slay, they know that to avoid being close-minded like the people who made the site you have to bash and mock anything and/or anyone who is religiously-inclined.

Kingcrazygenius

08-10-04, 06:19 PM

Stop trying to generalize us nova :y-evil:

KrewL RaiN

08-10-04, 06:19 PM

Why do I find that quote ironic :y-mm: :lol:

BornIn1142

08-10-04, 09:42 PM

When in Starcraft did it say that it's the "human’s manifest destiny to control the universe"?

I've been wondering what the hell that was about ever since I first read it.

Romanov77

09-10-04, 01:19 AM

Whats worse is i LIKED civ 3, now they are making it educational? f*ck that then, i'm going to play some mindless, bloody doom 2...

Doom2....

My father is atheist just like me, but he always abhorred violence, both in tv and videogames...

Doom2 at his times was so bloody that I had to play it "secretly"...
The pleasure of the "Forbidden game" :lol:

A-Thousand-Lies

09-10-04, 01:32 AM

If you go to the contact page, you notice a woman wearing a shirt that says "brain-washed".

At least they're not in denial of it.

Dragolas77

09-10-04, 06:10 AM

:D

Note, it wasn't an LOL, nor a LMAO, nor even a 'ZING'...

Holy Knight

10-10-04, 02:36 AM

You call those guys christian zealots? You should check out the guys over here (http://www.k-k-k.com).
-Slay

Hey, don't say that. I'm extremely offended both that they would dare call themselves "Christian" and that they would call themselves "knights". Whatever they might call themselves, the KKK is about as Christian as NAMBLA is a child advocacy group.

I agree with your other comments though; well-spoken.

Nio, I certainly hope for your sake that your beliefs are not as strong as the opinions the president of this zealot group

ANd dont diss the christians. Im one too Im just not as... "into" it as them.

About this kind of idea--

The problem isn't having strong beliefs, it's having bad beliefs. Frankly, if everyone strongly believed that Cristianity as about love and redemption (which it is), that all races are equal (which they are), that virtue and honor are the most important things in life (which they are), that certain depictions of potentially harmful content in video games may actually be beneficial depending upon presentation and context (also true), etc., the world would be a much better place. It's what you believe, not "zealotry" that has a beneficial or baneful influence on the world.

Dragolas77

10-10-04, 04:42 AM

My dad thinks warcraft 3 is too bloody... i play doom secretly too. I really want to play wolfenstein 3d now, because when i first had it, i couldn't get by the first senario, that boss. I'm posotive i could now, and everyone likes wolfenstein. Dammit...

Canadian Tire Money

10-10-04, 07:34 PM

indeed, people without strong beliefs are losers.

coomunism is another example of a bad belief :)

Kingcrazygenius

10-10-04, 07:37 PM

The little fat ones or the skeletons with cleavage-sag
:lol:

Australia has loser goddesses.

Canadian Tire Money

10-10-04, 07:39 PM

these game reviewers have some good tastes. for example, civ 3 scored high.

Pitboss_2000

10-10-04, 09:43 PM

What freaks me out is this quote in the letter about the writer's son:

I’ve been to about a dozen of these concerts and they are all alike. In fact I found no difference from the secular grind core concerts that I have attended.

What the hell is this guy doing attending grindcore concerts? O_o

A-Thousand-Lies

10-10-04, 11:33 PM

I would pay to see a grind-core band at a church concert.

Slay

11-10-04, 02:11 AM

Well, looks like even more evidence that they have bad taste in entertainment.
-Slay

A-Thousand-Lies

11-10-04, 02:37 AM

About this kind of idea--

The problem isn't having strong beliefs, it's having bad beliefs. Frankly, if everyone strongly believed that Cristianity as about love and redemption (which it is), that all races are equal (which they are), that virtue and honor are the most important things in life (which they are), that certain depictions of potentially harmful content in video games may actually be beneficial depending upon presentation and context (also true), etc., the world would be a much better place. It's what you believe, not "zealotry" that has a beneficial or baneful influence on the world.

So you are saying if everyone believed homosexuality was bad, we should follow the same routine day in and day out eliminating all variety, and treat everyone equally even though they're not, the world would be a much better place?

Wow. I'd much rather live in the world I live in then a world dominated by the belief of a divine entity that has no proof of existance.

Holy Knight

11-10-04, 04:36 PM

So you are saying if everyone believed homosexuality was bad, we should follow the same routine day in and day out eliminating all variety, and treat everyone equally even though they're not, the world would be a much better place?

Wow. I'd much rather live in the world I live in then a world dominated by the belief of a divine entity that has no proof of existance.

1) Why do ask me if I'm saying something that I clearly didn't say? I said:

--Christianity is about love and redemption
--All races are equal
--Virtue and Honor are the most important things in life
--Depictions of potentially harmful things in video games may actually be beneficial depending upon context and presentation
--It would be good if everyone strongly believed the above four things

I sure don't see any mention of homosexuality in there, nor anything about routines.

2) Do you really think that morality is the only subject that distinguishes you from other people? Frankly, if everyone believed that all races are equal, murder and **** are wrong, child abuse is wrong, etc., the world would be better, and people could still be individuals. It's not like your personality is solely defined by your moral beliefs.

3) My point was that people mistake having strong beliefs (which in itself is neutral) with having bad beliefs. It's a common mistake.

Kingcrazygenius

11-10-04, 05:04 PM

I'm all for those four things (particularly the forth, as I feel boobs in video games can be benificial to the sexual health of adult males), as long as they don't come with any of the rest of the baggage that sometimes comes with those things.

HAVE AT THEE!

Canadian Tire Money

11-10-04, 06:17 PM

Liberty over Equality plz.

A-Thousand-Lies

11-10-04, 06:29 PM

1) Why do ask me if I'm saying something that I clearly didn't say? I said:

--Christianity is about love and redemption
--All races are equal
--Virtue and Honor are the most important things in life
--Depictions of potentially harmful things in video games may actually be beneficial depending upon context and presentation
--It would be good if everyone strongly believed the above four things

I sure don't see any mention of homosexuality in there, nor anything about routines.

2) Do you really think that morality is the only subject that distinguishes you from other people? Frankly, if everyone believed that all races are equal, murder and **** are wrong, child abuse is wrong, etc., the world would be better, and people could still be individuals. It's not like your personality is solely defined by your moral beliefs.

3) My point was that people mistake having strong beliefs (which in itself is neutral) with having bad beliefs. It's a common mistake.

Then what beliefs are you saying these people have? Strong and good beliefs?

The reason I brought up the other points was because those were some of the opinions of this group of "strong believers".

Kingcrazygenius

11-10-04, 06:31 PM

Liberty over Equality plz.

As long as we have equal turns being on top.:)

Canadian Tire Money

11-10-04, 07:14 PM

i like the bottom.

Holy Knight

11-10-04, 09:38 PM

Then what beliefs are you saying these people have? Strong and good beliefs?

The reason I brought up the other points was because those were some of the opinions of this group of "strong believers".

Which people? The people on the website, or the hypothetical people who believe the things I mentioned?

My point was that it's not being a "strong believer" that's a problem. It's not that the more strongly you believe in Christianity the more you think things like "Depictions of violence in games are always necessarily bad" or "Harry Potter encourages demon worship", it's that that's one kind of interpretation of Christianity that differs from others. But someone who did not believe such things might believe in Christianity just as strongly as someone else. So here's the idea:

Christian A: Thinks Christianity is about love and redemption, also thinks the Bible implies that video game violence is always corrupting.

Christian B: Thinks Christianity is about love and redemption, but also thinks that video game violence is not necessarily harmful, or possibly even beneficial, depending on context, etc.

Both A and B may have the same level of strength of their beliefs. Where they differ is in the content of those beliefs. (I'd also say that Christian B's belief is better, but that's beside this point).

So the point is that what you believe has nothing to do with how strongly you believe it.

A-Thousand-Lies

12-10-04, 12:39 AM

What about Christians who follow the bible word-for-word and Christians who try and live their life by doing good, but not forcing their beliefs on others (eg. aren't preachers)?

BraveLiver

12-10-04, 01:37 AM

I'm personally a scientologist (is that what people are called when they believe only in science?), but I believe religion is an extremely important factor in society, especially with all the problems the world has today.

Religion is something to turn to in dark hours, something to hold spirits high while hope is low. I find that some have lost their way in the present day, but most are just believing in something. Isn't that what everyone does at some point? Remember the days of Santa Clause, and the Easter Bunny? Even the Tooth Fairy was something important to our lives.

Yes, some do go door to door to get more people do believe in their religion, but that is only in good heart. Their belief (I think) is that you must worship God in order to be in salvation, and they are only trying to help you.

A-Thousand-Lies

12-10-04, 01:45 AM

Kingcrazygenius

12-10-04, 07:59 AM

I thought heathen was just one of those terms that Christians used on non-converted peoples.

Nio the Namless

12-10-04, 08:48 AM

I thought heathen was just one of those terms that Christians used on non-converted peoples.
kinda like infidel and samaritian(sp)

(yes samaritian was a term for non-believer well more acturatly foreigner)

Holy Knight

12-10-04, 10:22 PM

What about Christians who follow the bible word-for-word and Christians who try and live their life by doing good, but not forcing their beliefs on others (eg. aren't preachers)?

For the first one, I assume you mean those who take everything in the Bible completely literally. I agree that that is misguided. I don't see why you say that preachers "force their beliefs on others", though--in most cases, people hear preachers when they themselves voluntarily go to church and listen to one. If you mean people who go preach on the streets or those who talk to people door-to-door, etc., there are some good and some bad. If someone harasses you, then that's not a good thing. But if someone merely asks if they can talk to you, or offers to give you a pamphlet or whatever, there's nothing wrong with that.

True story: One day when I was in high school, a friend of mine was over at my house, and three Mormon people approached us. Although we told them that we weren't interested in hearing about Mormonism, we were nice to them, and ended up playing basketball with them for about an hour or so. Did they convert us, or even really talk to us very much about Mormonism? No, because we politely said we weren't interested. Did we get angry at them for "harassing" us and trying to "force beliefs down our throats?" No, because they weren't doing that. What we did do was have a good time with some friendly people who were trying to do what they thought was right. Sure, there are some very vocal, overbearing types who actually do harass people in the name of religion. But it's unfortunate that on the basis of that minority, people tend to stereotype religious people (especially certain ones, like Mormons) as being that way.

I'm personally a scientologist (is that what people are called when they believe only in science?), but I believe religion is an extremely important factor in society, especially with all the problems the world has today.

Actually, I'm pretty sure that "Scientology" is itself a kind of religion, and doesn't just refer to believing in science. So if you believe only in science, I think you'd be described as something else, not a "scientologist".

Now, a little nitpicky thing: It's "Santa Claus", not "Clause". (Coincidentally enough, lately I've had to read a number of things that all contained that exact mistake, which is why it's sort of on my mind right now.)

A-Thousand-Lies

12-10-04, 11:22 PM

For the first one, I assume you mean those who take everything in the Bible completely literally. I agree that that is misguided. I don't see why you say that preachers "force their beliefs on others", though--in most cases, people hear preachers when they themselves voluntarily go to church and listen to one. If you mean people who go preach on the streets or those who talk to people door-to-door, etc., there are some good and some bad. If someone harasses you, then that's not a good thing. But if someone merely asks if they can talk to you, or offers to give you a pamphlet or whatever, there's nothing wrong with that.

Well, of the preachers myself and friends/family of mine have encountered tend to be those who force their opinions down others' throats. Perhaps I have only met and heard of the bad bunch of the preachers, but they often tend to not let you go and try to convert you to their religion. In my opinion, no matter what religion is, not taking the hint that one is not interested yet still persisting is being rude and generally stupid.

Aj Windshadow

13-10-04, 01:48 AM

They also tend to say everything that should be done, everything to be done righteously but when it comes to doing it themselves they never practice what they preach esp. in case of christianity.( as far as ive known )

Anyways that site though goes too far it is not for us , its for people as much into it as him and he clearly says that too so he's right about gamers so much into the game
they take his reviews as a personal attack and send hatemail.

It is right in some aspects and definately influenced by Biblical stuff.
I mean a scientist recomending games would give something that brings the mind into play more pts. than a fps with meaning less killing and so on...
As a parent no one will want children to play sick games ( u know which ones )
or become goth and use drugs and follow bands like KISS and stuff.

They are in some ways living in the dark ages however .They also lack tolerance. How can they say all other religions are just manipulated by satan ,it may be the reverse for all they know...

Basically let them be. Its their life let them live it the way they want to.

Note I just gave a different pt. of view to them personally they didn't affect me,
there are many different people in the world. They may seem wierd to us and we to them but we all can try to be tolerant towards each other.

lordshadowbane

13-10-04, 01:59 AM

Ugh if you think Christians rating game is bad imagine scientists. They would prolly rate games in forms of education.

A-Thousand-Lies

13-10-04, 02:20 AM

Ugh if you think Christians rating game is bad imagine scientists. They would prolly rate games in forms of education.

I'm under the impression scientists would be more open-minded then any religious group.

Nio the Namless

13-10-04, 02:51 AM

I'm under the impression scientists would be more open-minded then any religious group.
do you mean a psycologist or just a scientist because if a psycologist really wanted to he could be pretty close-minded to

Aj Windshadow

13-10-04, 02:57 AM

Ugh if you think Christians rating game is bad imagine scientists. They would prolly rate games in forms of education.
that was just an example and that site is for parents not gamers to read the reviews so cool it ! :y-pet:
:y-crazy:

A-Thousand-Lies

13-10-04, 03:36 AM

do you mean a psycologist or just a scientist because if a psycologist really wanted to he could be pretty close-minded to

I meant a scientists.

And I intend to be a psychologist when I graduate university.

Nio the Namless

13-10-04, 03:40 AM

I meant a scientists.

And I intend to be a psychologist when I graduate university.
I was just being sarcastic but it just doens't sound the same as type. And I am taking psychology right now and I considered being one for a while.

I am just saying that they could be a little strick with there behaviorisum if they wanted to. But for the most part I think psychologist (ones worth there weight) tend to focuse on helping people overcome there problems and be themselves.

but some of them dead guys.... :g wink:

Canadian Tire Money

13-10-04, 04:10 AM

psychologists do research and figure out how stupid humans are.

Dragolas77

13-10-04, 10:40 AM

Einstein said once...

The only two things in existence that are infinite are the universe and human stupidity... and I'm not sure about the universe...

:|

Amen

Holy Knight

16-10-04, 01:34 AM

Well, of the preachers myself and friends/family of mine have encountered tend to be those who force their opinions down others' throats. Perhaps I have only met and heard of the bad bunch of the preachers, but they often tend to not let you go and try to convert you to their religion.

Yes, I'm sure that's true--and I can tell you why, too. You are an atheist, correct? And from what you say, it sounds like most of your family and friends are as well. That means that you wouldn't encounter preachers in the usual setting--a church--because you don't go to church. Furthermore, you wouldn't be inclined to listen to a preacher on the street on purpose, and if you happened to pass one, you would most likely just pass them by, and say that you weren't interested if they did try to talk to you. So, the only preachers that you would ever end up talking to are the ones who are pushy enough to try to get in your face and not leave you alone, and from that unrepresentative sample, you base your assessment of preachers in general. Thus the view that preachers in general are like that is the result of a simple but common statistical error.

A-Thousand-Lies

16-10-04, 01:41 AM

Yes, I'm sure that's true--and I can tell you why, too. You are an atheist, correct? And from what you say, it sounds like most of your family and friends are as well. That means that you wouldn't encounter preachers in the usual setting--a church--because you don't go to church. Furthermore, you wouldn't be inclined to listen to a preacher on the street on purpose, and if you happened to pass one, you would most likely just pass them by, and say that you weren't interested if they did try to talk to you. So, the only preachers that you would ever end up talking to are the ones who are pushy enough to try to get in your face and not leave you alone, and from that unrepresentative sample, you base your assessment of preachers in general. Thus the view that preachers in general are like that is the result of a simple but common statistical error.

Very well, I retract my earlier statement. Not all preachers try and force their opinions on you.

andurii

16-10-04, 05:48 AM

If you buy into the premise that it is the human’s manifest destiny to control the universe, then it is okay to slaughter the aliens who oppose you. If, however, you believe in the aliens right to defend their homelands, the humans are the aggressors. In that case this game is teaching a very harmful attitude.
What do they think of the Americans of the past couple centuries? They thought this exact same thing.

kinda like infidel and samaritian(sp)
Actually, Samaritans lived outside of Biblical Israel and were looked down upon because they weren't Jewish.

I'm a Christian, and I agree with some of the stuff he says, but not most of it. I played Diablo (and beat it in less than 100 hours) and obviously Warcraft III. I don't see anything bad about Warcraft.
Anyway, what's the point of believing something if you don't stand up for it? That's all this guy's doing. sure, he may be a little closed-minded, but he's standing up for his beliefs and doing something (or at least trying) about them. Even if you disagree, that's more than a lot of us are doing.